Petem95

Who went along? Was the turnout good?

Just saw a small piece on the local news about it, but it only showed some guy being interviewed in the carpark.

Hope the revenue camera partnership take some notice!

Thumbs up to anyone who made the effort and took part btw

EDIT: It did mention on the news that the trigger speed for the cams is a mere 76mph

Tiggs

i heard it on radio 1.......they mentioned it and had an interview with a cop who said "people speed....if they slowed down we wouldnt bother with cameras"

he made perfect sense and if the rest of the news covered it the same way the "rebelion" has backfired!

pslewis

Seen it on the news, lots of horn hooting and flashing lights.

100 cars apparently ..

Not given much coverage, about 20 seconds.

No Speeding = No Cameras ....... its so simple it hurts!

The fact remains that some people want to break the law and not face the fact that they may get caught ...... whatever you think about speed and accidents and deaths is a side issue ..... the law is there to be enforced and enforce it the cameras are doing!

Eventually, speeding will be seen in the same light as drink/driving, the sooned the better ............ we need the Roybacers off the streets.

Pete

DJ140

What utter crap Mr Lewis, how can speeding ever be classed as bad as DD?

Drunk drivers are under the influence of alcohol, so not in full control of their vehicle, reduced reaction time etc. Unless the speeding motorist is drunk, they are generally in control of their car and therefore the comparison with a DD is way of the mark.

And on that note with the incresaing use of camera's, the drunken speeding motorist will still only ever get 3 points for the speeding ticket, the fact he's had 10 pints will go completely unoticed.

That is the main issue I have with the use of cameras and the reduction in Police patrols. Only the speed element is targeted, they have no problem with the fact that the standards of driving in this country are decreasing, hence the increase in the number of deaths.

Anyone that is naive enough to think that speed cameras will solve all motoring problems, needs to see a shrink, even Brundstrom has seen the light, wake up Mr Lewis

Waiting patiently for the OAP's "I am right because".....

ajm

No ridiculously low speed limits = no speeding.......

SiDHEaD

I went!!

The person running our side didn't abide to the plan of 56mph and was doing 30 tops. Massive tailbacks and lots of people sticking their thumbs up in support. Lots of people lined the bridges too



The M4 cameras don't really affect me, but it's the greater picture which concerns me - NO reduction in saving lives, all this money they reap could be used for driver awareness and more traffic police to catch dangerous (not speeding) drivers and drunk drivers etc!

BBC is reporting it in a positive light and said 400 attended..

imi

70mph on the motorways - dont you think its time this was reviewed????

Whats the point of the sneaky Camera Vans - Surely more traffice police is the the way forward - Sneaky Camera Vans are simply there for revenue generation.

anyway - they are trying to drive us out of our car and onto the substandard, polluted, disgusting, infested, public transport system.

Fuzz

Not until the general public have had more training and emphasis placed on observation, forward thinking, road presence and vehicle control..

increasing the limit now would only make the speed difference greater between the slow timid and afraid drivers and the reps sat in the outside lane.
the current "I can get away with 80" would be replaced with "I can do a ton" with no thought put toward the slower vehicles or the road conditions..


BAD IDEA IMO


Andy

Chip

I think they should keep the limit at 70 but do away with cameras. If you give a limit of say 80mph then ppl think its OK to do 90-95 all the time. Average M/way speeds now are I woulkd say about 75-80mph which is just OK.

Chip

Fuzz

80-90mph would also be ok (IMO ) if people take into account of what's around them and the conditions they are driving in..


Andy

Iain Young

You obviously don't drive that stretch of M4 very often. Before the cameras the average speed was well over 80mph (if you did 80 it was like you were standing still, with practically every car shooting past you).

I still believe that these particular cameras have had a positive effect on that stretch of motorway.

Adrian F

A reasonably empty motorway flows at about 85-90 unless cameras are there. I see no problem with this though in Essex they just keep lowing the limits on many roads to justify more cameras

The biggest problem we have is that many speed limits have no credibility and are blatantly there to create congestion or justify a camera and therefore raise more Tax revenue.

pslewis

The 70MPH has been there for decades ..... way before cameras - so that speed limit hasn't been implemented to gain funds has it????

When I said speeding needs to be seen as socially acceptable as drink driving I meant just that - I did NOT say it was as bad ............ when one person dies because a driver thought he had the 'right' to do what he wanted (wheter drinking or speeding) they should be executed!!

STOP SPEEDING!!

Or face the consequences!

Pete

ajm

90mph speed limit on the motorway, then the police can go and catch real criminals. Job done.

pslewis

Speeders ARE real criminals!!!

The burglar rarely kills someone - the speeder can wipe out a whole family and destroy those left behind!!

Pete

mart360

and we need boring old farts like you sectioned...

pete your so predictable your boring..

do somthing different for a change , like log off and let us enjoy SN without the provisional wing of the utopian nl chapter ranting on all night.

Mart

pslewis

Mart - you say the SAME thing night after night after night .... that makes you spontaneous does it

SPEEDING KILLS - SLOW DOWN

If I can save one childs life, I don't care how I look to those who wish to break the law and murder innocents!!

Pete

mart360

Pete

how manmy more times do we have to spell it out you senile old brainwashed W*nker!!

SPEED DOES NOT KILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

if speed kills, there would be millions dead everyday,

just shows what a pompous jumped up idiot you are,

and your meant to be the smart arsed nuclear physicist.

If you want irrefutable proof.

i will explain.....

The circumference of the Earth at the equator is 25,000 miles. The Earth rotates in about 24 hours. Therefore, if you were to hang above the surface of the Earth at the equator without moving, you would see 25,000 miles pass by in 24 hours, at a speed of 25000/24 or just over 1000 miles per hour.

Earth is also moving around the Sun at about 67,000 miles per hour.

And before you start to bleat Pete, the above information came from the NASA web site, extremely qualified scientists Pete!!!!! unlike you !!

have we all died?? NO,

so bang goes you sheep.. speed kills bleat..

now unless you can provide some irrefutable hard facts to totally dispell natural phyisics !!!

so that blows your fukcing speed kills crap out of the water


M

Sprint Chief

Actually, someone obeying the speed limit can wipe out a whole family and destroy those left behind.

This is a classical logical fallacy, appeal to motives, appeal to consequences (argumentum ad consequentiam)

Sprint Chief

Ignoring the gratuituous logical fallacy noted above:

And how many lives have been saved on public roads since speed cameras were introduced?

According to the road accident fatality figures issued by the government - pretty much none.

This is despite massive improvements in other areas of car safety and only a small increase in road traffic.

Petem95

I drive from Bristol to London and back at least once a week, how the hell have these cameras had a "positive" effect? Whereas you used to be able to safely cruise along at 85-90 and traffic flowed freely - now it bunches up through the revenue raising camera section, and often you are only doing 65 in the outside lane, with cars bumper to bumper as a result - cant believe there are naive *******s who think this really is about road safety and not revenue - pity on you.

Sprint Chief

Just another viewpoint!

MattW

Iain - I really don't get it.

Swindon West to Chippenham is what I would consider a safe piece of road, Swindon East to Hungerford is not so IMO lots of bunching up and so forth. Why do you think that there are so many accidents there?

Tiggs

lol.....the earth is spinning fast and we dont die so speeding is safe!

thats like a five year olds theory!

(pretty thick 5 year old)

mart360

Tiggs.. aka psl ..

i see, so if you cant accept fact use the NL method spin, rubbish, discredit,

if you take your head out of your **** and read the post you (psl) posted..

the comment was speeding kills.

i will again clarify the point


SPEEDING DOES NOT KILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



are you really that blinkered you belive such a crap statement??????


when you grow up and understand, then prehaps you may join the party!!!


if speeding kills, provide hard irrefutable evidance.

i have proved speed does not kill... if it did we would all be dead..

so toddle off back to daddy (psl) and try to get some fact


LOL





Mart

scrappydoo

Guys, please ignore Mr Lewis. Hopefully he will go away if we do... The man has nothing worth listening too.

I also went and the amount of support was staggering. Miles and miles of tailbacks and there were perhaps 1 or 2 really aggressive people, that was it. It was considered a success by us all and was really quite enjoyable. I do hope there are many more.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...re/4498551.stm

scrappydoo

Speed does not kill, impact does.

Say you jump out of a plane and your parachute fails, then you are probably gonna hit the ground at around 120mph terminal velocity. Now imagine your parachute only half opens halfway, this would slow you down to maybe 90-100mph. Either way you are still going to hit the floor with pretty obvious consequences so thus the drop in 20-30mph ist going to make that much of a difference. A pretty crude example but effective none-the-less. lol!!

Iain Young

Well, myself and my brother drive Swindon East (junction 15) to Hungerford (junction 14) twice a day every single day of the week (once in each direction).

Since the cameras were introduced, I've not noticed any traffic bunching at all. In fact, there seems to be a lot less traffic generally and it's better spaced (not driving so close together). Maybe I don't drive the road at the same time of day as other people, (which might explain the difference), but I've only seen a positive effect so far....

Iain Young

Cameras cannot determine / amend peoples driving habits where driving close together is concerned. In my experience, people drove just as close together when the average speed was 85-90mph, and it didn't flow very well at all, (the number of rolling traffic jams I've sat in on theat road is immense). At least lowering the speed has helped reduce the risk of an accident as peoples reaction times don't need to be so quick to avoid an accident.

I have never said that I believe cameras are the only solution to road safety, (police presence on the roads is sadly lacking at the moment), but they do play a part and in certain situations can prove very beneficial.

Can't believe the number of people on here who complain so much all the time about not being able to break the law. Pity on you

MattW

But every motorway has a characteristic, and the M4's is people sitting in the outer/middle lane and not moving left when it's clear.

I do so your point however, and I would certainly support raising the limit to 85 even 90, however I believe motorways are the safest roads we have, that the limit was left at 70 on the understanding people do 85 and raising the limit would mean 100+ speeds.

I also don't agree with the way the govt are attempting to reduce speed because that makes an accident less serious. Of course if you drive into a wall at 70mph or 30mph there is going to be a very different outcome(extremes I know), but the reality is the cause of the accident is not being addressed.

There are some misguided people who believe that they should have carte blanche to speed everywhere, and I certainly think that the ABD are viewed as an extreme organisation by many, I'd much prefer to see one of the more repected motorists organisations, AA, RAC, CSMA etc to take up the argument.