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Old 03 May 2005, 12:08 PM
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Question Why do we tolerate birds, but not rats?

Aren't most garden birds just flying rats? And when was the last time a rat crapped on your newly washed and waxed pride and joy? And how many rats have you seen destoying plants in your garden, or the vegetable patch?

And yet most people are pleased to see birds in their garden, and would be appalled to see ONE rat!

Birds carry disease, and if one does get into your house, it can, and probably will cause loads of damage..............a blackbird came down my old man's chimney and he ended up having to redecorate the front room

So why do we tolerate them, but hate rats?

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Old 03 May 2005, 12:09 PM
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Why is fox hunting deemed cruel but fishing is not?!??!?!?!?

Cos foxes are cuddly, that's why.
Old 03 May 2005, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by TheBigMan
Why is fox hunting deemed cruel but fishing is not?!??!?!?!?

Cos foxes are cuddly, that's why.
OK...........but a rat is cuddlier than a bird, big time, (feathered bird, I mean).

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Old 03 May 2005, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by **************
What uneducated tosh
That is how "people" see it.....

If I stamp on a bunch of ants nobody cares - cos they're "small" and "insignificant" and you can't see the pain on their face, unlike the fox that appeals to our sensitive side. I'm not pro fox hunting by any means however I find so much of the protest hypocritical.

People really are fickle and bored.
Old 03 May 2005, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
Aren't most garden birds just flying rats? And when was the last time a rat crapped on your newly washed and waxed pride and joy? And how many rats have you seen destoying plants in your garden, or the vegetable patch?
FFS!! Next you'll be saying why do we tolerate trees because the leaves fall off and annoy you! How about we just concrete over the entire country and eradicate all wildlife?
Old 03 May 2005, 12:21 PM
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Aha! I've got it..............."Fox" and "Bird" = young nice lady.

"Rat" = not nice person, "Fishy" = not nice dealings.

Or is that just a symptom? (ie, foxes and birds = good, rats and fish = bad).

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Old 03 May 2005, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by **************
What uneducated tosh
Yep - Nothing to do with the cuddly appearance of Basil and his mates.

No Fox hunting is banned because it's toffs that do it.

Fishing is not banned because it's the prolly's that enjoy it so much.

Old 03 May 2005, 12:24 PM
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Cats will solve all your problems
Old 03 May 2005, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Petem95
FFS!! Next you'll be saying why do we tolerate trees because the leaves fall off and annoy you! How about we just concrete over the entire country and eradicate all wildlife?
NO, no, no! You misunderstand me. I love animals, wildlife etc.

I'm just interested as to why certain animals have "bad press" and others are not only tolerated, but encouraged.

I know LOADS of folk who put food out "for the birds", but who would be utterly appaled if they thought it was attracting rats.

So why birds, but why NOT rats?

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Old 03 May 2005, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by jasey
No Fox hunting is banned because it's toffs that do it.


.....yep, and plebs are jealous so pick up on anything they can to vent their jealous frustration.

"You have a nice house, car, speak properly therefore you are a snob" mentality.
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Originally Posted by Brendan Hughes
Cats will solve all your problems
Will they **** in the rats homes
Old 03 May 2005, 12:27 PM
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Hold on, hold on! What do foxes have to do with birds and rats? Who brought fekkin FOXES into this anyway?

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Old 03 May 2005, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
I know LOADS of folk who put food out "for the birds", but who would be utterly appaled if they thought it was attracting rats.

So why birds, but why NOT rats?
At a guess, apart from the cute and cuddly argument, I'd say that birds are considerably less likely to cause damage and/or disease as a) they fly, so they spend less time on the ground (transferring fleas, germs etc to your garden or pet), and b) they have almost no interest whatsoever in coming into your house to get food - they're scared, rats aren't.

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Originally Posted by alcazar
NO, no, no! You misunderstand me. I love animals, wildlife etc.

I'm just interested as to why certain animals have "bad press" and others are not only tolerated, but encouraged.

I know LOADS of folk who put food out "for the birds", but who would be utterly appaled if they thought it was attracting rats.

So why birds, but why NOT rats?

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Ah sorry I got the wrong end of the stick!

Yeah sort of see your point - I think rats have just had a bad press since spreading "the black death" about gave them a bad name!
Old 03 May 2005, 12:30 PM
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We don't tolerate birds, not when they are in numbers and locations that could cause health problems, i.e. when seagulls/pigeons take over towns.

Unfortunately for rats, they tend to fit these criteria more often...
Old 03 May 2005, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ajm
when seagulls/pigeons take over towns.
Come to Aberdeen. The Seagulls (****-hawks to the locals) are PROTECTED (Not sure why they need protection cos they're hard as nails and aint scared of me or my car ).

I'd sooner see a plague of rats that a plague of ****-hawks.

But Rats do seem to get a bad press - Like the original question - not really sure why if you look at their actual behaviour v most garden birdies !
Old 03 May 2005, 01:33 PM
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Rattus norvegicus had absolutely nothing to do with the Black Death!!!

Even Yersinia pestis is looking less like the culprit now, if recent research is to be believed. Another haemorrhagic fever (Ebola-like) is my favourite.

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Old 05 May 2005, 01:25 PM
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Mrs Leslie and I quite enjoy watching the acrobatics by our local country rats when they try to get at the bird food we put out.

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