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Something seriously wrong with a society that can produce kids capable of this.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bradford/4599005.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bradford/4599005.stm
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for ligature read Noose!!!!!
sad to say it dosent surprise me.. we have clear signs that society is starting to break down...
and what does your estemeed leader say..
"there is nothing more we can do"
well thank you for selling us down the river and eroding what values and standards we once had
prehaps if we had a judicial sytem that could and would actually punish these offenders we might get some where
hang on just thought
"partnership!! alert on"
if we can save one life its worth it...
"partnership!! alert off"
speed cams in all parks that will resolve everything
really feel for the little person involved...
sad to say the only way out of this crap we are in is when someone high profile suffers a personall tragidy
M
sad to say it dosent surprise me.. we have clear signs that society is starting to break down...
and what does your estemeed leader say..
"there is nothing more we can do"
well thank you for selling us down the river and eroding what values and standards we once had
prehaps if we had a judicial sytem that could and would actually punish these offenders we might get some where
hang on just thought
"partnership!! alert on"
if we can save one life its worth it...
"partnership!! alert off"
speed cams in all parks that will resolve everything
really feel for the little person involved...
sad to say the only way out of this crap we are in is when someone high profile suffers a personall tragidy
M
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Im absolutely appalled by the actions of these children, I hope that they all get what they deserve.
sad to think that this could happen anywhere in 'Great' Britain.
sad to think that this could happen anywhere in 'Great' Britain.
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truly shocking, although I shouldn't be really as this is Britain after all They bloody well better get convicted of attempted murder, just read a fifth 12 year old has been arrested and more arrests are expected. So far 3 boys and 2 girls. What possesses kids to do this to a 5 year old ffs?
With Labours softly softly approach with how criminals should be treated I doubt these kids will get anymore than a telling off
Wonder how Tony Blair would feel if Blairs Britain did this to one of his kids?
Hang the little ******* up, I don't care they are only 12, if they can do this now wtf are they going to be capable of when adults??? Just like Jamie Bulgers killers should have been strung up and left for the crows to pick their rotting bodies
With Labours softly softly approach with how criminals should be treated I doubt these kids will get anymore than a telling off
Wonder how Tony Blair would feel if Blairs Britain did this to one of his kids?
Hang the little ******* up, I don't care they are only 12, if they can do this now wtf are they going to be capable of when adults??? Just like Jamie Bulgers killers should have been strung up and left for the crows to pick their rotting bodies
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Not quite sure how the government are responsible for the way children are brought up??
Its the parents that are the role models, and sadly, they are the products of the grab, grab, grab Tory Britain of years gone by ...............
The parents need hanging!
Pete
Its the parents that are the role models, and sadly, they are the products of the grab, grab, grab Tory Britain of years gone by ...............
The parents need hanging!
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I'm also staggered by this. I have a 4 year old son and it's getting close to the point where I'm worried to let him out of my sight. This is probably also bad as he can't gain his independance if I'm always watching him ...
Out of interest, can 12 year olds be tried for attempted murder? Aren't they too young?
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I'm also staggered by this. I have a 4 year old son and it's getting close to the point where I'm worried to let him out of my sight. This is probably also bad as he can't gain his independance if I'm always watching him ...
Out of interest, can 12 year olds be tried for attempted murder? Aren't they too young?
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Not quite sure how the government are responsible for the way children are brought up??
I was brought up as a kid during the Thatcher years and there was no political correctness, kids got whacked if they misbehaved and deservedly so. I am glad I got a good whack if I did wrong, it taught me morals and that you can't just do as you ******* well please which is exactly how kids these days think they can act. In those days criminals went to jail even for petty crime, these days you can commit burgalry and walk away a free man ffs. Thats Labour for you!
And while society thinks its fine to do as it pleases with no come back on them it will just get worse. And yes I do blame Laabour for it as at no point have they ever stood up against political correctness going over the top, Labour actively encourages it so for me it makes it their fault!
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Info on "Age of Criminal Responsibility"
"Age of criminal responsibility
When you reached the age of 10 you probably didn't realise you had reached the age of criminal responsibility. Until the age of 10 the law says that you cannot be held responsible for a crime.
Between the ages of 10 and 14 you can be convicted of a criminal offence if the prosecution can show you were aware that what you were doing was seriously wrong. For example, the case of Jamie Bulger, who was killed by two 10 year olds, was based on this principle. The prosecution showed that the two boys knew that what they were doing was seriously wrong and they were given prison sentences.
After the age of 14 the law considers you are fully responsible for your actions in the same way as an adult. As such you will be treated as an adult in a court of law in terms of criminal responsibility (although not in terms of sentencing)."
This is a shocking thing to happen, the kids doing this really need teaching that this is in no way normal and that they are going to be punished in the same way an adult would be, oh, hang on, that means a nice comfy cell, at our expense. hmm.
Time to start a british Gulag or two, or ship people to a russian gulag, might sort them out, or kill them in the process, which would be such a shame (can you smell the sarcasm there? lol)
"Age of criminal responsibility
When you reached the age of 10 you probably didn't realise you had reached the age of criminal responsibility. Until the age of 10 the law says that you cannot be held responsible for a crime.
Between the ages of 10 and 14 you can be convicted of a criminal offence if the prosecution can show you were aware that what you were doing was seriously wrong. For example, the case of Jamie Bulger, who was killed by two 10 year olds, was based on this principle. The prosecution showed that the two boys knew that what they were doing was seriously wrong and they were given prison sentences.
After the age of 14 the law considers you are fully responsible for your actions in the same way as an adult. As such you will be treated as an adult in a court of law in terms of criminal responsibility (although not in terms of sentencing)."
This is a shocking thing to happen, the kids doing this really need teaching that this is in no way normal and that they are going to be punished in the same way an adult would be, oh, hang on, that means a nice comfy cell, at our expense. hmm.
Time to start a british Gulag or two, or ship people to a russian gulag, might sort them out, or kill them in the process, which would be such a shame (can you smell the sarcasm there? lol)
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Children who perform violent and abusive acts tend to come from violent, abusive backgrounds. The parents AND the society are to blame. Some African societies with very old-fashioned morality say it takes a whole village to bring up a child.
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A five-year old child SHOULD be able to be out unsupervised by its parents. Don't talk to me about the danger of roads; the convenience of motorists, driven by commerce, is held above child safety. The proliferation of pornography corrupts everyone who comes into contact with it; the responsibility of care of EACH OTHER is a forgotten duty. When did you last do anything for a stranger unasked?
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I hope the five y/o is ok!
I recon it is all of the above
The parents mostly though.
However at 10 i am sure i knew that trying to hang a kid was WRONG!
There is something WRONG with these kids!
Kids can and do get away with too much, no punishments for misbehaving and often parents who do not give a to$$.
Government can help by giving back the ability to punish kids other than a 'you naughty boy/girl' if required.
Parents made to take responsibility and prison an option if not, kids in care if required. As i have said before we are into 2-3rd generations of ****e parents, parents who do not work, live off of the state have low morals and values - No education of their own, steal and cheat to get by. Hardly role models. This is one area this govenrment can help.
We, the decent tax paying people of this land who's only crimes are likely to be 5mph over the limit are going to be in the minority one day and when that happens this country will fail and we will all be fecked unless things are done.
I am sure this sort of thing happened 10-20 years ago but that does not make it OK, things should be better.
Less PC touchy feely cr@p crap and more responsibility!
I recon it is all of the above
The parents mostly though.
However at 10 i am sure i knew that trying to hang a kid was WRONG!
There is something WRONG with these kids!
Kids can and do get away with too much, no punishments for misbehaving and often parents who do not give a to$$.
Government can help by giving back the ability to punish kids other than a 'you naughty boy/girl' if required.
Parents made to take responsibility and prison an option if not, kids in care if required. As i have said before we are into 2-3rd generations of ****e parents, parents who do not work, live off of the state have low morals and values - No education of their own, steal and cheat to get by. Hardly role models. This is one area this govenrment can help.
We, the decent tax paying people of this land who's only crimes are likely to be 5mph over the limit are going to be in the minority one day and when that happens this country will fail and we will all be fecked unless things are done.
I am sure this sort of thing happened 10-20 years ago but that does not make it OK, things should be better.
Less PC touchy feely cr@p crap and more responsibility!
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I too was brought up knowing the difference between right and wrong. If you did wrong, you got a whack (belt accross the back of the legs for me) and you learnt not to do it again. It does make you a better person. I therefore completely agree with Brazo2zero's comments.
I was absolutely sickened by hearing the news yesterday, and having an 8mth old son myself, it just makes me wonder what kind of world I've brought him in to.
I hope those involved rot in hell
I was absolutely sickened by hearing the news yesterday, and having an 8mth old son myself, it just makes me wonder what kind of world I've brought him in to.
I hope those involved rot in hell
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Just reading more about this this morning and the boy was taken from his parents garden ffs. So I hope they are going to be done for abduction on top of attempted murder, the more charges they can do them for the more likely something will stick and they get a proper sentence for what they have done
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This is a dreadful tale, looks like it was building up to another James Bulger case!
These children are well old enough to know the difference between right and wrong. They would have known they were doing something really bad. They deserve a swingeing punishment for this.
However, the initial fault lies with their parents who for whatever reason have allowed their children to grow into monsters.
The Government is indirectly to blame too for encouraging people to have children out of wedlock so that they have to live in a bad family atmosphere when the parents split up. The children lose the balancing effect effect of two parents bringing them up and too often the parents are also grossly incompetent because of their own upbringing. The parents take no responsibility for educating their children in a disciplined manner.
I believe that the government should encourage people to make a proper commitment through marriage to their partner and more importantly to any children of the marriage.
Parents should also be made financially responisble for any damage done by their own children before they reach the age of majority. That might concentrate their minds on bringing up their children correctly.
If the government persists in throwing up their hands and ducking responsibility, this country will deteriorate into uncontrollable anarchy and "no go areas".
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These children are well old enough to know the difference between right and wrong. They would have known they were doing something really bad. They deserve a swingeing punishment for this.
However, the initial fault lies with their parents who for whatever reason have allowed their children to grow into monsters.
The Government is indirectly to blame too for encouraging people to have children out of wedlock so that they have to live in a bad family atmosphere when the parents split up. The children lose the balancing effect effect of two parents bringing them up and too often the parents are also grossly incompetent because of their own upbringing. The parents take no responsibility for educating their children in a disciplined manner.
I believe that the government should encourage people to make a proper commitment through marriage to their partner and more importantly to any children of the marriage.
Parents should also be made financially responisble for any damage done by their own children before they reach the age of majority. That might concentrate their minds on bringing up their children correctly.
If the government persists in throwing up their hands and ducking responsibility, this country will deteriorate into uncontrollable anarchy and "no go areas".
Les
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Originally Posted by Bubba po
A five-year old child SHOULD be able to be out unsupervised by its parents. Don't talk to me about the danger of roads; the convenience of motorists, driven by commerce, is held above child safety. The proliferation of pornography corrupts everyone who comes into contact with it; the responsibility of care of EACH OTHER is a forgotten duty. When did you last do anything for a stranger unasked?
In answer to your question; this morning, when I helped a woman carry a buggy up a small flight of steps. It doesnt take much does it? Perhaps it was the way that I was brought up; maybe it was because I was 'brought up'?
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I said in the office this morning, "maybe we should send them all on holiday so that they learn there is good in the world and that hanging little children is wrong.", in a cynical manor.
Somebody shouted out, "shut up you Tory *******"
What a strange response
Somebody shouted out, "shut up you Tory *******"
What a strange response
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There's murderers and rapists behind every bush. Be careful out there.....
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Made me feel sick, I have 3 kids, the youngest being six, we do have to remember that this kind of violence is rare, its like bullying taken to the extreme, its like kids who torture animals, they were bound to move on, I think even the Paedo risk isnt as great as the press would have us beleive, my real concern for my kids are the ***** that live near me hoofing a f*cking great off roader down our quiet cul de sac, a road where a quick head count of primary age kids or younger comes to at least 20.
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blaming the gov is nonsense.....my kids are raised as well as i was 30 years ago. They play outside as much as i did and get a wallop as often as i did.......parents raise kids not Tony Blair.
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as an aside 5 years old is too young to play comletely unsupervised (apart from a secure garden)....and i would have said that in 1975 and 1945 (not that thats the case here it seems)
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as an aside 5 years old is too young to play comletely unsupervised (apart from a secure garden)....and i would have said that in 1975 and 1945 (not that thats the case here it seems)
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Moral decline and Political Correctness. Two things that I personally believe are causing the problems we are seeing.
Kids are having kids, and they are not responsible enough to look after themselves, let alone their own children. They won't discipline thier kids, either due to them not being bothered as they are out partying all the time, or they simply just cannot be bothered to do so regardless. It may be that they cannot discipline their kids as it's now "bad" to smack your child and you'll face punishment for doing so.
Kids therefore grow up not having proper discipline and values instilled into them, and the cycle repeats itself.
The youth of today is sadly lacking in many social graces and respect that they should have, and the youth of my day had.
Shocking.
Kids are having kids, and they are not responsible enough to look after themselves, let alone their own children. They won't discipline thier kids, either due to them not being bothered as they are out partying all the time, or they simply just cannot be bothered to do so regardless. It may be that they cannot discipline their kids as it's now "bad" to smack your child and you'll face punishment for doing so.
Kids therefore grow up not having proper discipline and values instilled into them, and the cycle repeats itself.
The youth of today is sadly lacking in many social graces and respect that they should have, and the youth of my day had.
Shocking.
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I agree that children need corporal punishment at times to keep them in order. Parents are now discouraged from doing that and it does not help the cause. I am not saying it should be the first reaction of a parent to wrongdoing, but it should acceptable for a child to get a smack that stings when they deserve it.
My father was strict with me if I misbehaved myself and I learned about authority from him and my mother as well which kept me on the rails.
I never lost real love or respect for either of them.
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My father was strict with me if I misbehaved myself and I learned about authority from him and my mother as well which kept me on the rails.
I never lost real love or respect for either of them.
Les