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Old 22 August 2005, 11:14 AM
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Power to the people i say.
Got an email from a mate a couple of weeks ago and it basically comes down to us demanding the cost of fuel as customers, and not just being told what to pay by the oil companies.
It goes like this,
Boycott purchasing ANY fuel from ANYWHERE for 6 months for cars/trains/planes/buses/lorries.
If everyone tells 10 people about this then this time next week 3 million people will be not purchasing ANY fuel whatsoever.
Any thoughts if this might work?

Old 22 August 2005, 11:17 AM
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You don't think enough people saw your post in the other thread, do you?
Old 22 August 2005, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
You don't think enough people saw your post in the other thread, do you?
No
Couldn't resist. I'd love to see the spam above out there
Old 22 August 2005, 11:18 AM
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i didn't...
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Old 22 August 2005, 11:28 AM
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Well considering that over 80% of the cost of fuel in this country goes directly to the exchequer, and the rest of the recent price increases are a direct result of George & Toni's little jolly in the Middle East, I think blaming the oil companies is a bit rich meself
Old 22 August 2005, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by CrisPDuk
..... and the rest of the recent price increases are a direct result of George & Toni's little jolly in the Middle East
Wrong. There's enough fuel for everyone out there. Rising demand from China & India, a wee bit of unrest in Africa, and some hurricanes off the Mexican coast just causes the speculators to hype the price up....middle east is only a small part of the equation....
Old 22 August 2005, 11:32 AM
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Ive got a better idea. Sell your imprezas and buy something that uses less fuel, you'll be filling up the tanks less hence a drop in sales and worried sales men with profits dropping....

Starting to get boring now all these fuel debates... Unless we really do have a boycott like a few years back nothing will change.
Old 22 August 2005, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by davegtt
Ive got a better idea. Sell your imprezas and buy something that uses less fuel, you'll be filling up the tanks less hence a drop in sales and worried sales men with profits dropping....
I completely agree. I'm all for tripling fuel duty to improve public services.
Old 22 August 2005, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by imlach
I completely agree. I'm all for tripling fuel duty to improve public services.
Unfortunately tripling fuel duty wont neccesarily improve public services.

It might pay for the war on terror for another week or two.
Old 22 August 2005, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Reality
Unfortunately tripling fuel duty wont neccesarily improve public services.

It might pay for the war on terror for another week or two.
Exactly. Just as trying to get fuel duty reduced won't mean you'll have any more money in your pocket.

Most people just don't get it.............
Old 22 August 2005, 11:52 AM
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I have the best idea, increase the price of fuel by a factor of 10 for private vehicles and bring motoring back to being a pastime for the rich.
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Originally Posted by imlach
Exactly. Just as trying to get fuel duty reduced won't mean you'll have any more money in your pocket.

Most people just don't get it.............
You may have to explain that for me. If you buy fuel and there's less tax then surely there's gonna be more money in you pocket. Or do you mean some other stealth tax will be used to pay for any future fuel tax savings ?
Old 22 August 2005, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by KiwiGTI
I have the best idea, increase the price of fuel by a factor of 10 for private vehicles and bring motoring back to being a pastime for the rich.
I'd go for that one too
Public transport duel duty is 1/10, and private tranport fuel duty is 10x
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Originally Posted by davegtt
Starting to get boring now all these fuel debates... Unless we really do have a boycott like a few years back nothing will change.

What, like things changed as a result of the last one...??


Apart from Billy Punter thinking he had a short-term moral victory of course...
Old 22 August 2005, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Reality
You may have to explain that for me. If you buy fuel and there's less tax then surely there's gonna be more money in you pocket. Or do you mean some other stealth tax will be used to pay for any future fuel tax savings ?
OK...

Govt gets reduced income from fuel.
Govt has to get money from somewhere to fill gap.
Govt get money to fill that hole from you in another way.

ok? You need to look at the WHOLE taxation picture. Few seldom do.
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Originally Posted by KiwiGTI
I have the best idea, increase the price of fuel by a factor of 10 for private vehicles and bring motoring back to being a pastime for the rich.
That's the currenty NL policy isn't it ?
Old 22 August 2005, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by imlach
Few seldom do.

Have another go.
Old 22 August 2005, 11:59 AM
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They would just double Council Tax, a bit earlier!

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Tel, in a way we did get a short term victory although we needed to make a stand longer than we did....

Nothing we do will change it... hence why Im getting bored of these threads
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Originally Posted by Leslie
They would just double Council Tax, a bit earlier!

Les
Can't be far off that already for some places - isn't the average increase 70% since they came into power ?
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Originally Posted by imlach
Wrong. There's enough fuel for everyone out there. Rising demand from China & India, a wee bit of unrest in Africa, and some hurricanes off the Mexican coast just causes the speculators to hype the price up....middle east is only a small part of the equation....
I think its possibly a bigger part than you are giving it credit for, taking into account that Iraq is sitting on the second largest oil reserve left on the planet. Only Russia has a bigger reserve, and I think George is waiting till the country is even more de-stabilised till he attempts an invasion
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Originally Posted by davegtt
Tel, in a way we did get a short term victory although we needed to make a stand longer than we did....

Nothing we do will change it... hence why Im getting bored of these threads

I really never understood it. Motorists being happy to self-inflict hardship on themselves. Wanting cheaper fuel but queueing all day and all night for when it eventually arrived, and willing to pay ANY price. It was a farce from start to finish.
Old 22 August 2005, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by MJW
I think its possibly a bigger part than you are giving it credit for, taking into account that Iraq is sitting on the second largest oil reserve left on the planet. Only Russia has a bigger reserve, and I think George is waiting till the country is even more de-stabilised till he attempts an invasion
Nope. Disagree.
The recent spike was initiated by the death of King Fahd. Supply issues from Africa etc spiked it up a bit more, a wee fire in a US refinery....don't see Iraq figuring in that news.

...and to prove a point, there was an attack on an Iraq pipeline today, and crude futures are DOWN as a result
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
I really never understood it. Motorists being happy to self-inflict hardship on themselves. Wanting cheaper fuel but queueing all day and all night for when it eventually arrived, and willing to pay ANY price. It was a farce from start to finish.
Exactly.
It was the "I'm alright jack" syndrome at work. Everyone liked the idea, but relied on everyone else to execute it. Loonies.
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