hedgehog

After his investigation into Kate Moss we find that, perhaps, this is what that story was to cover up. The following from todays Telegraph:

Britain's top police officer was accused last night of paving the way for "Judge Dredd law" by proposing that officers should be allowed to by-pass the courts and confiscate driving licences, seize vehicles and issue anti-social behaviour orders on the spot.

The Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Ian Blair said "modernisation" of the force should be carried forward by introducing "an escalator of powers" for the dispensing of instant justice.

"One idea is to have some police officers - paid more and with more powers - to impose an interim anti-social behaviour order, for instance, or suspend a driving licence," he said. This would have an immediate effect rather than waiting for intervention by the courts, Sir Ian suggested.

He acknowledged that giving police powers currently exercised only by the courts would be controversial but could be seen as legitimate if they were used by properly trained constables.

mart360

welcome to the nl state...

its creepy.. is this not going down the route parralled by a certain german gentlman in the 40,s..

big brother is there and will butt *uck uss all if we let him...

just shows the blinkered views that his supporters have...


baaaah two legs good, four legs bad



M

Vegescoob

"Blairland"
Both of them.
None of these proposals will mean a reduction in criminal behaviour though.

GaryCat

Parralled? do you mean paralled?
A question should have a question mark.
Assuming you mean Hitler, he was Austrian and formed the National Socialist Party in the 1930's
Use an apostrophe, not a comma for 40's.
Gentleman spelt wrongly.
An ellipsis has three full stops...


There? Where is he?


What supporters? None are mentioned in the article.


Is that a deliberate misquote?

Considering some of the driving I see everyday, I think it's a good idea to confiscate idiot's licences on the spot and seize their vehicles.

If only people could be arrested for making six grammatical, spelling and factual errors in one sentence

G.

ben44

Anyone heard of Communism? We're nearly there...

mart360

and smart arsed people who have nothing better to do than correct grammer should be dipped in concrete and used as mobile information centres

(for all the chavs who bunk school)

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Mart

GC8

That's grammar Mart..... Irrespective of Sir Ian Blair's views, the Bill of Rights can not be repealed; it's the basis of our government. The Magna Carta will have to be re-written too; perhaps that'll be a job for the 10 Downing Street press office?


Citizen Simon

Leslie

Glad you are noticing what is happening and the ground which has already been laid so far.

Les

Reality

Dont YOU mean Paralleled

SJ_Skyline

Don't you mean don't?

I blame Tony (and Ian) Blair!

Reality

No - what I meant was **** off you pedantic w@nker - but it came out wrong

Dream Weaver

Feckin hell, have I been transferred to "Englishnet"

Pedants, get a grip we all make typo's

unclebuck

Here we go... Our civil liberties arre getting removed by the day but all the pedants (clearly New Labour curtain twitcher types themselves) can come up with as a defence is to point out grammatical errors.

SJ_Skyline

How dare you!

unclebuck

When do the giant statues of the Great Tony start to be erected in town centres across the land? And the giant friezes of Blair, Brown, Prestcott and Clarke start to get installed at the sites of major transport links?

Reality

Civil Liberties - didn't have you down as a sandal wearing tree hugger UB .

I'd give the Police the power to beat the crap outta the scum that have taken over the streets - trust them more that the Judges to protect us !

Dracoro

Any one who has even the slightest inkling of an understanding of politics would know that we are a million miles away from "germany in the 30's" or communism. Get a sense of proportion chaps rather than just ranting for the sake of it and over-exaggerating.

Yes, things may be getting worse but to compare it to communism or facism is plainly ridiculous.

Wurzel

iTrader: (1)

<PEDANT MODE>

He was not German he was Austrian!

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mart360

eh??

so your telling me hitler set up his shop overnight and had everything in place and turned on his regime at the touch of a button..

what we are seeing is the little by little stealth and deception approach that takes us further and further down the path of no return...

the real question is how far are we going to let it go before we do somthing about it??


M

Dracoro

So are you seriously suggesting what's happening now is like 30's Germany and that Tony Bliar is the next Hitler?

Now I don't agree with a lot of what's happening and believe voters have the opportunity to do what they want about it. But to compare it with the leadup to **** Germany is wholy disproportionate and ludicrous.

unclebuck

More like Joseph Stalin really....

TruthHurts

None of the above Blair reminds me more of the esteemed Canaan Banana.

Hol

iTrader: (1)

Id ratherthe police, arrest and confiscate some pikey's van full of stolen stuff rather than allow a lawyer** get them off on some human rights cr@p 6months later (in which time they have been free to rob the rest of the neighbours).

Lets be honest here, this isn't about a bald tyre or 40 in a 30. But something that warrants arrest.



** A lawyers job is to get their client off using any means within the (ahem) law. (Even if they know they are guilty).

Hol

iTrader: (1)

An NO, I don't support Blair. EITHER of them.


I just hate the way Criminals run around flouting the laws the rest of us dutifully stick to. :angry

hedgehog

This is tricky as most of us want to see criminals removed from society. However, of late there has been a drive to criminalise the generally law abiding citizens. I am sure we could all point to houses, or areas or people where serious criminal acts take place in the open and on a daily basis and yet nothing is done about it. Since 1997 1,200 "things" have been banned and most are things like "holding an unlicensed event in a church hall" rather than the real crime that we would all like to see stopped. You and I are being criminalised while a large group of real criminals are starting to become "below the law."

Some of you may recall a thread on here where a chap from Inverness had his car declared illegal because of the noise it was making. It was, from what I remember, an unmodified but PPPed Scooby and several others came out of the woodwork and reported similar problems with the Inverness police. The car was perfectly legal and Subaru took it for testing and established this fact. Now, what if the police officer had the power to seize, and perhaps even crush, that car? Just because it looks like one particular vendictive cop in Inverness had a problem with Subaru drivers, who were doing nothing wrong, does this give him the right to remove your car without recourse to a trial and a balanced look at the situation? What if losing your car puts you out of work?

So, the problem is less simple than just a seemingly logical means to help reduce crime just because it is likely that generally law abiding citizens will be the target of such laws. You'll have your taxed, insured, well maintained and prized car removed by some cop with a grudge while the dodgy characters keep driving around in unregistered or stolen vehicles just like they always have. In the past you had recourse to a court, now you'll have recourse to no one but the copper who took your car.

I suspect this is the definition of "police state" which is where an unaccountable police force carry out the political will of their masters.

Dracoro

This is an example of blowing things out of proportion.

The policeman might seize your car but he'd still have to justify it to his superiors. They wouldn't crush anything unless it were obviously unroadworthy and was never realistically gonna be so.

If it were found that the car was, in fact, legal then they would a) have to return it, b) give an apology, c) hopefully recompensate you and d) that policeman would be reprimanded and wouldn't last long in the force if he decided to wage a war against 'scooby drivers'.

I agree that many daft things have been banned (esp the public performances by musicians etc.) and we need to do what we can to make the powers that be listen up (i.e. it's your vote they want so vote someone else). How many people here have written to their MP? I bet hardly any yet you all continue to rant on here rather than actually do something to back up what you say you believe in.

OllyK

Or possibly fixed??

Dream Weaver

Our soft arsed country/government prefer to skirt around true crime, and spend their time banning petty little things, such as the church events mentioned above, not to mention the cutting of farm subsidies for any farmers renting fields out for motorsport.

They need to be seen to be doing something each day so they target motorists and law abiding citizens - heaven forbid they arrest some thieving pikey lout and lock him up for 20 years, that would be against his human rights

We need to get back to basics with proper justice and tough sentences for those that dont obey the law, regardless of what "rights" people think they should have.

Going back to the original thread topic, Srian Blair (as they pronounce it on the news ) should concentrate on proper crime, not fecking about with small stuff, and what the hell has Kate Moss got to do with him???

unclebuck

What can individuals do? The New Labour project has now moved into its third phase. Re-elcted by a minority made up of the stupid and greedy, they now have the freedom they need to set in place a crushing beaurocracy funded in the main by punitive taxation and criminalisation of the law abiding for the most minor of legal transgressions.