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Old 12 October 2005, 10:15 PM
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Default TV detector vans

are these still in use?

can they pin point a tv set through sumbodys walls or is it all just one big list of homes without a licence

just reading sumthing about the vans having equipment which detects the magnetic field which shows around a tv screen

wtf is all this about??

anybody know if the vans can detect between colour screen magnetic fields and black and white screens
Old 12 October 2005, 10:26 PM
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The van cant get WITHIN 200metres so hopefully im safe.......

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Old 12 October 2005, 10:27 PM
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used to work with someone who did this for a living and apparently they could only detect crt's (cathode ray tubes) and even then not as accurately as they would have you beleive in the ad's. however the new plasma and lcd tv's they cannot detect however i think they rather u do not know this
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Yes they have detector vans. And it is equipped with one of the most advanced type of TV detectors known. As in the bloke behind the wheel, he'll look for the SKY dish, failing that have a peek through the windows, lol
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when your tv is in use, it converts one signal into another, but in order for the laws of physics to be obeyed it must also give off the opposite signal to what it is displaying. sort of like, if you give it a signal of 10, and the picture is 4, it must transmit the six somewhere as radio waves. this is a very simple example, and is one of the reasons why mobile phones aren't supposed to be used on forecourts, as the signal they give off can create a current and therefore sparks in nearby metals.
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Originally Posted by danwrx1980
when your tv is in use, it converts one signal into another, but in order for the laws of physics to be obeyed it must also give off the opposite signal to what it is displaying. sort of like, if you give it a signal of 10, and the picture is 4, it must transmit the six somewhere as radio waves. this is a very simple example, and is one of the reasons why mobile phones aren't supposed to be used on forecourts, as the signal they give off can create a current and therefore sparks in nearby metals.
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it wasn't meant to be funny, just somethin i learned in the army
except its called tempest there
but thanks for your laughter anyway

lol
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anybody running with a black and white licence then??

must be quite hard to detect diffrent sets in a block of apartments
i opend the mailbox for my new pad and found 2 letters from them about the TVL and theres not even any dam furniture in there yet

as a bonus, the entire building has the basic sky package wired up for each apartment as part of the deal, which was a bit of a suprise just need to put a receaver in there (got one )

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Originally Posted by danwrx1980
when your tv is in use, it converts one signal into another, but in order for the laws of physics to be obeyed it must also give off the opposite signal to what it is displaying. sort of like, if you give it a signal of 10, and the picture is 4, it must transmit the six somewhere as radio waves. this is a very simple example, and is one of the reasons why mobile phones aren't supposed to be used on forecourts, as the signal they give off can create a current and therefore sparks in nearby metals.
Very funny, delivered dead pan, with no smilies you may almost get somebody believing it.
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thats coz its true
i don't do smileys
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Originally Posted by danwrx1980
when your tv is in use, it converts one signal into another, but in order for the laws of physics to be obeyed it must also give off the opposite signal to what it is displaying. sort of like, if you give it a signal of 10, and the picture is 4, it must transmit the six somewhere as radio waves. this is a very simple example, and is one of the reasons why mobile phones aren't supposed to be used on forecourts, as the signal they give off can create a current and therefore sparks in nearby metals.
Its far from being scientific. But it does get the point across nicely

I'll not take the p1ss, cos I could not explain it much better
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Originally Posted by danwrx1980
when your tv is in use, it converts one signal into another, but in order for the laws of physics to be obeyed it must also give off the opposite signal to what it is displaying. sort of like, if you give it a signal of 10, and the picture is 4, it must transmit the six somewhere as radio waves. this is a very simple example, and is one of the reasons why mobile phones aren't supposed to be used on forecourts, as the signal they give off can create a current and therefore sparks in nearby metals.
the only reason mobiles are not suposed to be used in garage forecourts is the theoretical risk of the user dropping the phone and dead shorting the battery
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is it right that i should be laughing at my explanation?

and your remarks to it?
Old 12 October 2005, 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by kingofturds
the only reason mobiles are not suposed to be used in garage forecourts is the theoretical risk of the user dropping the phone and dead shorting the battery
as well mate, because the radio transmission causes currents in nearby metal.
the same thing causes claymore mines to go off, thats why radios can't be used within 100m of one.
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Originally Posted by danwrx1980
it wasn't meant to be funny, just somethin i learned in the army
except its called tempest there
but thanks for your laughter anyway

lol
Then your trainer in the army was pulling your chain and you didn't realise.

Read snopes, watch Mythbuster, read a physics / chemistry book.
http://www.snopes.com/autos/hazards/gasvapor.asp
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Originally Posted by danwrx1980
it wasn't meant to be funny, just somethin i learned in the army
except its called tempest there
but thanks for your laughter anyway

lol
Oh sorry. I just thought the detectors look for the flyback signal, and the negligable chance of mobiles creating a spark is when you drop it and the battery disconnects.

Excuse the laughter
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so my degree in astrophysics is wrong then?

damn!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by danwrx1980
as well mate, because the radio transmission causes currents in nearby metal.
the same thing causes claymore mines to go off, thats why radios can't be used within 100m of one.
Jesus wept. The voltage in a mobile is the same or less than the 12V in a car. Radio waves are zapping about all over the place, and being picked up - think the radio in your car. If there was a shred of truth in this, petrol stations would be blowing up all over the place. There has not been 1 single case of a petrol station fire being caused by a mobile. There have been a good few been cuased by good old static however.
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i know that, i only said it was theoretical, and the static thing is right, especially off women getting in and out of their cars.
that is why you should earth yourself on a piece of metal before you open the cap, in case your spark catches some of the vapour.
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sorry i won't post again, i cause too many arguments...
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this is all going technical

there is a lot of mystery surounding these vans, i always thought they just listed all address`s without a TVL

i never relised that a tv would actualy broadcast sumthing outwards which could be picked up outside a building, sounds like madness
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Originally Posted by danwrx1980
so my degree in astrophysics is wrong then?

damn!!!!!!!!!
I'm not sure how a degree can be right or wrong, or if you have one. But you understaning of the risks of mobile phones as they pertain to petrol stations is very seriously flawed, yes.
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Originally Posted by danwrx1980
as well mate, because the radio transmission causes currents in nearby metal.
the same thing causes claymore mines to go off, thats why radios can't be used within 100m of one.
currents but no short guv s
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ok olly, i agree, i don't turn my mobile off at the pumps like everyone else, but i'm just saying it happens and is cited as a reason why you should turn it off.
as you said the static thing is the chief cause.
sorry.
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Originally Posted by StickyMicky
anybody running with a black and white licence then??

must be quite hard to detect diffrent sets in a block of apartments
i opend the mailbox for my new pad and found 2 letters from them about the TVL and theres not even any dam furniture in there yet

as a bonus, the entire building has the basic sky package wired up for each apartment as part of the deal, which was a bit of a suprise just need to put a receaver in there (got one )
i dont know ....see what your saying ! but id imagine theres a fair few bbc subscribers in your marina.....as here (brighton) ..they can easy get the van down .......
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Originally Posted by StickyMicky
this is all going technical

there is a lot of mystery surounding these vans, i always thought they just listed all address`s without a TVL

i never relised that a tv would actualy broadcast sumthing outwards which could be picked up outside a building, sounds like madness
This was covered on NSR sometime back, and following some googling about, the concensus was that the detection methods were hyped to say the least and were more likey to involve cross referencing house with no license to a visual check for an ariel.

As they have no powers of access, when they knock on the door, you say "I have no TV and shut the door". Assuming they can't see the actual TV from outside, there is nothing more they can do. There is a website and somebodies ongoing fight with the TV bods, IIRC it's Capita (again). I'll see if I can dig the link out.
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Originally Posted by danwrx1980
ok olly, i agree, i don't turn my mobile off at the pumps like everyone else, but i'm just saying it happens and is cited as a reason why you should turn it off.
as you said the static thing is the chief cause.
sorry.
Err no it doesn't happen, there has not yet been a single case of a station fire that has been attributed to a mobile, not one. Read the snopes article I linked to.
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Originally Posted by OllyK
Then your trainer in the army was pulling your chain and you didn't realise.

Read snopes, watch Mythbuster, read a physics / chemistry book.
http://www.snopes.com/autos/hazards/gasvapor.asp
demon do u know how difficult it is for your average 3.62 v battery to produce an arc seeing electricity usually needs a 10000v to arc an inch through air
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