salsa-king

just heard on GMTV that theres talk that Christmas lights will not be called that any more as not to upset 'other' regligions!!!!

possible name changes are..

winter lights
celebrity lights etc!


you can't say coloured ballbulls (sp) as it is... where is all this heading.....
very sad times we live in

Phil

SwissTony

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Well They can kiss my ****
This country is going to the dogs !!
Jesus so bleeding PC, it makes me sick. Bet if you ask these so called religions they couldnt care less. Are we talking about the religions that have made the UK their home? so they live here like the rest of us so whats the problem for ***** sake
I, for one, will call the Christmas lights what I want, they are called that because of Christ, not because of any other religious god. simple...
So robinson's jam lost the golliwog figure because of this lunacy,council's have changed manhole covers to something else and do schools still have blackboards ?? probably not
If the stupid people who have made up this crock of **** want to pamper to some people (who dont give a damm) then why dont they just call it XMAS lights if they are so worried.
No prat in some council will tell me how I call things.

alcazar

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Read all about it...........this morning's edition............SwissTony in PC refusal jail sentence shocker..............read all about it

Alcazar

SwissTony

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yeah I will be in there for two counts. Refusing to pay the proposed 10 % council bill hike !!!

mightyyid

swisstony

well said and hear hear.....

Leslie

The PC trogs will take over unless we kick their nonsense out of court!

Les

Clarebabes

I blame the Government

PC gone mad I tell you. Someone get a petition up or something. Christmas is OUR religious ceremony and I know a number of Non-Christians who celebrate the day as a family time. They still call it Christmas FFS.

This country is traditionally a Christian one. Do you think any other majority religion country would pander to our needs so not to upset the Christians? I think not!

OllyK

Who is "our", you mean Christians I assume, not Brits / English etc.

Only for the last couple of thousand years - if that.

How can you have more than one "majority" religion??

I'd be quite happy to see Xmas less forced down your throat. Starting selling xmas stuff in October is crackers - shouldn't be able to sell anything xmassy before the 10 Dec IMO!

lightning101

So what are they changing Diwali to then ?

Festival of lights my **** And nice it will look too

davegtt

Who and where are these PC brigade? I never see anyone protesting against stuff like "christmas lights" etc???? I just hear from normal people these things are being stopped now, who the fek decided it?

Clarebabes

I meant countries which are traditionally made up of one religion such as Iraq/Iran etc. I think you may have read it wrong.

Do you have children? I think Christmas is a magical time for them and my daughter did the navity play at school last year even though there are some non-Christians in the school. They actually took part. I was trying to get across that alot of other religions don't have a problem with Christmas, it's other people being over-sensitive.

Bah Humbug. I know Christmas is being more commercialised every year and it bugs me to see stuff in the shops so early. But it is a great time to think of your family and bring joy to those around you. I love it and no one is going to make me call it the "holidays" like they do in the US. It's Christmas and always will be.

555-Shaggy

What, that's outrageous.. fek that.. they'll always be Christmas lights to me... do I bang on about being offended by Diwali celebrations? err NO. I'm sure most other religions don't complain about us celebrating Christmas either, just some PC christians trying not to upset others who don't care in the first and only end up pi$$ing off people of their own religion.

OllyK

OK blame me, I might suggest however, that you could have phrased it better

What have children got to do with it if neither they nor I are Christian? Christmas is fine, christianity is fine, I'd just prefer not to have them both rammed down my throat for 2 and a bit months every year.

You really should read up and understand a bit about your religion you know. Christmas as we know it today has only been around since Victorian times and many of the "traditions" are adopted from pagan festivals. Indeed the birth date of JC (if you actually believe he ever existed and the evidence for that is thin at best) is unknown and Christmas day was adopted near the winter solistice in an atempt to convert the pagans.

As I say, have a read - you may find it interesting.

KiwiGTI

OllyK, I'm genuinely interested in what sort of lifestyle you are advocating?

Should we cancel all festivals and celebrations? I mean most of us do not seriously practice any religions so should we just get rid of any named holidays and replace them with such things as "Winter Bank Holiday" on the 25th of December?

Instead of telling people to read, why don't you spend some time watching how children enjoy these events, regardless of whether they are Christian or not. Perhaps that's something that is missing from your personality, you've forgotten how to enjoy life.

DeltaBravo 9

another nail in our country's freedom of speech !! it's bloody pathetic , the worst thing about these examples is we put up with it and just shake our heads !

ozzy

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4398680.stm

OllyK

Where have I said that? I've just said I can do without it lasting for 2 and half sodding months.

If you don't follow or practice a religion, then why adopt it's festivals? Why not adopt the Muslim, Buddhist, Taoist etc ones as well or instead?

Not sure I've seen too many devout Muslim kids enjoying the intricacys of a nativy play. Besides you're still missing the point. Christmas is supposed to have significant meaning to Christians, you're just trivialising the whole thing.

I see - becuase I'm not Christian and don't jump around with glee about having it ramed down my throat for 2 months I don't enjoy life? I enjoy life just fine thank you.

ozzy

I'm sat beside someone of the Jewish faith who couldn't believe it's been renamed. He's never been offended and celebrates his own festivals (as do all his family).

I think the problem is that the religious message of the Christmas festival has been completely lost over the years. Since I don't practice any religion I'm not sure why I fall for all the commercialism every year.

OllyK

Likewise I'm not offended by Christmas, I just don't see why it has to be so prominant for so long. Surely just the week running up to the 25th Dec would be plenty?

We don't see any other religious festival (especially non-christian) being so blatantly forced upon the population for extended periods.

It's also the assumption that I'll partake in it and I'm taken as some kind of grumpy sod when I don't want to partake in a religious festival when I am not of that faith.

I agree - hence my earlier suggestion that the supposed christians do some research, they should be embarrassed that a non-christian knows more about their festival than they do.

I don't.

paulr

How many of us will be going to church on christmas day,very few if any,who even knows the true meaning of christmas.Its an excuse to get drunk and have a few days off and then we call ourselves christians.
Wether you like it or not when it comes to religion muslims and the like put us to shame,then we have the gall to say the prominent religion in the UK is church of england.

drumsterphil

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Christianity is the dominant faith in Britain not Islam. Whether people attend church on Christmas day doesn't really matter - it's part of the British way of life and Christmas day is a celebration of a pivotal day in Christian Faith.

When are we going to stop selling our values and heritage short to please these bloody minorities? They want to live in this country then fine, but they better be under no illusions that this is Britain not a European annex of the mulim world. Accept our history and heritage or bog off somewhere else.

Death to political correctness can't come soon enough.

OllyK

Not me, that's for sure.

I have a pretty good understanding and I'm not a Christian.

I don't need an excuse

I'm not Christian.

It depends if you consider religious faith as important or not. Certainly a Muslim's faith is not putting me to any kind of shame.

I think the "church of apathy" is the predominant way of life in this country TBH.

ajm

I'm going to be calling them 'British Empire Lights' from now on... and Xmas trees will be adorned with 'Brown Baubles'. Lets see how they like that!

Leslie

How do you know how many people go to church or not Paulr, do you go to church?

Les

suprabeast

wow christmas is the best time ever... decmeber being the only month where you can almost drink every night without being branded an alcoholic!

lots of presents and films on tv , no work for a few days and a big hangover in january! christianity rocks

Tiggs

what a load of nonsense.....this is all down to error in the admin at the council.

and even if it were true do you think anyone really cares??? my kids wouldnt care if you called christmas devils day- as long as they have fun.

lightning101

I still call starburst - opal fruits

Drunken Bungle Whore

<yawn>

We get exactly the same stories every year at this time - nativity plays banned, blah, blah, blah. Nothing ever really changes - the papers just turn up the very few relevant stories and try to convince us the world is coming to an end.

Nice to see someone baiting Ollyk though - you don't even need to be a master baiter to get him going.

Hol

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Id like to see a list of names for all these stupid retards who advocate all this ill thought PC related stuff.

Then, when some child grows up and:- (Eg) murders a disabled old women in their home simply because the PC brigade at the time said it was a good 'change' not to discipline children etc.....

We all know who to name and Sue for misrepresentation of the British people.

America has tried most of this cr@p 10 years ahead of us, and still we don't take notice of the ill-effects.

That covers, Crime, Sleze Lawyers and some extreme Civil rights laws.

Using a sledgehammer law/rule to crack a walnut sized problem, does not work long term.