OllyK

god should be thanked when a loved one survives an ordeal, when one assumes he put you through it in the first place, and yet it is a human at fault when it actually turns out that they did not survive. Should they not equally be in church curssing god for not saving them?? If they had been saved woudl they have been thanking god or the people who risked their lives trying to save them?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4579754.stm

A terrible incident - but it just got me thinking about how people pick and choose when to apply their religion.

16vmarc

Religious people are hypocrites.

lightning101

God forgive the blasphemer

lightning101

Hypocrite on> You will be begging him for your life when you are dying though

STi wanna Subaru

iTrader: (1)

You can't talk to anybody with religious beliefs due to them all being brainwashed. To some degree there is no difference between those people and the people who flew the planes into the Towers or blew themselves up in London.

Karl 227

Don't get me started
Shortly before Christmas a good mate of mine died unexpectedly at the age of 46. At the funeral 6 days later, the priest told his 82 year old mum who was sitting at the front sobbing, his brother and the rest of the church that we should all be thankful and rest assured that it was god's will and that he chose to take him for a purpose I could have bloody hit the insensitive ba5tard

STi wanna Subaru

iTrader: (1)

You say that but having seen Touching the Void and hearing that in the depths of dispair and having been raised as a Christian Joe Simpson did not once turn to god. Says a lot I think.

alloy

always two sides to the story
people live for a belief, it's scary when a BELFIEF is worth dying for i'm all about the facts

OllyK

I may well take a god's name in vein if I die in pain, but I doubt I would suddenly truely believe there is a god.

Karl 227

Surely that would depend on your BELFIEF, olly

lightning101

I had religion forced down my throat until I was a teenager, I had a strict catholic upbringing based on fear and control.

Yet as much as I despise that side of my childhood, I can't fully deny the existance of a god. I think it is a comfort factor.

Why get married if you are not religious, why celebrate christmas ?

Why do we have a court system based on swearing oaths to god, why do we teach religious education and science/evolution in the same schools ?

TheBigMan

Religion has been b&stardized into the word hypocracy.

CrisPDuk

I personally believe there is a higher power

But I am also of the firm belief that organised religion is no different from organised crime. It's about power and control

OllyK

I don't deny the existance of a god or gods. I just don't believe that there are any. I have no proof there are none, but equally I have no proof that there are any. The same goes with unicorns, faries and hobgoblins, so I don't believe in them either. Show me one and I'll change my mind.

There are civil cerimonies which are about making a commitement to your partner with no mention of god or religion - but I'm still not married.

I don't - neither do most non christians. We may take the time off and spend time with familiy, but I'm not in church celebrating the birth of JC - but then, I suspect neither are many Christians.

You have to swear to tell the truth, I don't belive you have to make your oath to the christian or indeed any other god. If it was binding and effective perjury wouldn't be required.

Why not? Some people believe in a god, indeed I understand that the majority do. There are many religions and I have a broad understanding of many of them although I follow no religion myself. You can't just deny their existence. I do question the promotion of a given religion in an educational setting rather than just teaching the facts about it.

Karl 227

I've seen a Unicorn

Reality

Religion is for Sheep.

Those without the brains to work out what's really going on when some **** in a frock tells you that you'll go to hell if you don't do what he wants you to !

But each to their own. If People want to behave like Sheep that's up to them .

Karl 227

Over here in the Eifel it's about 90% catholic and if you don't pay church tax you don't get a church burial, most of the people I know don't understand when I say they can put me in the brown bin when I'm dead because I sure as hell am not paying any church tax

Reality

When are we gonna get "Civil" Burials - OR can you get them already ?

The thought of some ***** saying "Dear old Reality has gone into your care oh great almighty one" is the only thing that worries me about dying .

(That and some w@nker in the morgue taking the **** out of my small ***** )

CrisPDuk

I got married to show the people that matter to me that I wanted to commit myself to the woman I loved for the rest of my life

I celebrate Yule as the pagan festival it is, not as the religious ceremony the Romans, then the French imposed to kill it off

CrisPDuk

I've had it written into my will that I am to go staight to a crematorium, and that there is to be no mention of God or Religion in the ceremony

Sbradley

Bloody Hell!

Did you lot all get a bargain bucket of sweeping generalisations for Christmas or something?

I choose to believe in God. How, when and where I pay my dues to Him is nobody's business but mine.

Explain how that makes me no different to a suicide bomber? Or even how it makes my a hypocrite? For that matter, how does it make me a sheep?

Society has rules which, by and large, are based on the dominant religion of the area. The ten commandments are the basis for the rule of law in all civilised countries. So unless you're all professional criminals, you're all living your lives obeying the cardinal rules of the church. Which presumably means that you'll all admit to being hypocrites yourselves?

Oh and remember - heck is where you go if you don't believe in gosh.



SB

Reality

I'm not sure that's possible at the moment - I think you have to be buried by a shepherd .

Not really looked into it as I'm not intending keeling over for a while.

Mind you I probably shouldn't worry too much as Religious funerals are only for the remaining Sheep - everyone that dies knows what really happens .

Reality

You'd need to tell me why you belive in God for me to tell you why it makes you a sheep.

If you've met God then I retract my Sheep statement.

If you "Believe" in God because someone has convinced you he "exists" then all I have to say is "baaaa baaaaa"

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pslewis

Because its Father Xmas's birthday??

Just a wild guess

Pete

Karl 227

The most modern thing over here is the "Friedenswald" or "Peace Forest", where you pick a tree for your ashes to be buried under, with or without religious cufuffle, I might do that, which I won't, as I'll die before the wife and she'll probably have me buried head first in a pile of menure

Sbradley

"If you've met God then..."

Pillock.

There are millions of people and things that you've not seen, touched, smelled or whatever but you recogise that they exist despite that.

Unless you only accept your immediate environment as being true, while everything else is an illusion?

As I said, I choose to believe in God. Not because I've been persuaded to. You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but be at least a little bit sensible about your arguments...

SB

Reality

Baaaaa

Sbradley

Wow. You really are a lightning wit.

And a skilled debater, too.

SB (resisting urge to make other comments ending in , or at least rhyming wth, "debater")

OllyK

Congratulations.

<psst - somebody call the funny farm >

davegtt

Come on then, why do you believe in God? what has led you to have that belief?