pslewis

The 2 Thia fishermen ..............

If they are guilty, then fair enough - kill them!!

BUT, all over in 3 weeks??

They admitted the offence, DNA matched up ............ I am sure that they haven't got a clue whats going on!!

I am convinced that they are 2 simpleton fishermen who have been caught in the wrong place at the wrong time ......... to suit the Thia tourist industry.

Am I alone in questioning the simple solving and conclusion of this crime??

Pete

Brendan Hughes

Dunno. Does Tony Blair back them?

SJ_Skyline

Pete,

For once I agree with you - everything seemed to fit together far too quickly and conveniently.

Alternatively they may just have a justice system that works better than ours!

unclebuck

Look who's crawled out from under his stone

There are some unanswered questions waiting for you elsewhere on here. I suggest you answer those before starting new threads.

Floyd

iTrader: (9)

I thought the same Pete. Catch someone/anyone and make an example of them so the tourists think it's safe and that crimes against tourists are dealt with severely.

If I were the police over there I'd do the same

F

sarasquares

iTrader: (1)

and why do these two fishermen keep laughing all the time

i think the family of the girl should be able to choose to keep them alive in prison for the rest of their lives...

i think the Tai government are doing what they think will make us happy

unclebuck

Come on... get on with it....

http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=484867

EddScott

Took the words out of my mouth there!

Without question.

Mentioned this very thing this morning to a work mate. Seems very sus that they have them banged to rights and off to the needle room within such a short space of time.

Stinks of a setup to prevent any more damage to the local tourist industry. Probably two tramps and the Thai government have promised their families an extra chicken at christmas if they confess.

I'd be surprised if they are not shown tolerance from us peace loving westerners and win the appeal and get life instead. The young girls mother was reported to have said they should get life not death. If the two men die I'll be very surprised.

tmo

We should adopt the same policy here i.e. speed of system, everything matches plus a guilty statement given in front of said prisoners legal representatives.
(although they did get the DNA sorted very quickly)

Jobs a badger

Everyone (except guilty party) move on to other cases.
frees up police / court / legal system.

Doesn’t add to the prison population, but that’s getting onto another issue

pslewis

They need to be killed as it ends it all ......................... having them in prison, alive, will result in some ghosts coming home in a few years time.

I'm just very uneasy about the idea that 2 men will die to satisfy the western desire for visiting the area on holidays.

They could be guilty of course, and if so, i admire the Thia Authorities .... but it's too quick, too slick and just stinks to high heaven!

Pete

GC8

Id feel a lot easier about it all if the evidence was reviewed by British Police officers.

The Zohan

Even by Thai standards it seems quick.
Whilst i am no expert(really i am not) murderers who admit thier guilt usually escape the death penalty and get life.

There could however be other reasons.

The blokes bragged to their mates/workers about the killing - if true this is terrible and show little remorse or care
The Thia government wants to be seen to deal with this sort of thing swiftly and with as much punishment as the law will allow. Maybe tourism is a/the motivating factor in this. But without tourism he whole coutry would suffer greatly.
There where riots and a lynch mob waiting for these guys when they where arrested and i heard an interview with locals and a Brit who had settled in the region. All seemed most upset and disgusted this sort of crime is few and far between, the last report of anything similar was committed by tourists.

Convicting the wrong people is short sighted, what is to stop the people who committed this crime from doing it again if they are not the two found guilty.

Just because they are simple fishermen and do not appear to know what is going on does not mean they are not guilty.

I really hope they have got the right people and justice is done for the sakes of all involved.

tmo

why would it though ?

Yes it was well-organised and slick, should we cast doubt on the conviction because of it ?
Should we not be admiring the ability to resolve a state of affairs with speed and efficiency.

sarasquares

iTrader: (1)

why cant all cases like this be dealt with in such a short time

unclebuck

Shame we don't have a similar system for dealing with baby rapers in this country. It might make some of these animals think twice.

V1CK1

It is worrying the speed of this case, but if they are bang to rights they deserve to die.

If not, the government are allowing a killer/s to get away with murder and possibly commit more.

vindaloo

Human rights or arguments about them and lawyers. Lawyers want time for the fuss to die down and to prepare a defense, allow discovery of any omissions, short cuts or wrong doing by the Police or prosecution... Delays due to fears of obtaining a fair trial or arguments of 'trial by the mass media' etc. etc. etc.

Wonder if these guys actually have ANY legal council?

J.

Diablo

You missed out a bit Pete

They are two simpleton fisherman who have been caught for raping and murdering a helpless girl.

DNA matches
They admitted it - and other similar crimes.

The speed issue is to preserve the tourist industry for sure, but if the cap fits....

dpb

must have known theyd get the chop - what on earth was their motive..?

New_scooby_04

iTrader: (4)

I think its more a case of "two men will die cause they raped and murdered an innocent young lady"

The impact of the crime on Tai tourism is a relevant factor in determining their punishment and the judge was right to refer to it. HOWEVER, it is ONLY because the crime was so barbaric that it would have such an impact on tourism, so to argue that the primary motive for the death penalty is to reassure the tourists is to implicitly acknowledge the seriousness of the offence.

I agree that the case has been concluded very quickly, but sometimes, you do get open and shut cases.

NS04

Scoob99

iTrader: (1)

If they ARE the 2 guys who did that horrific rape and murder, IMHO hang the barstwards, but I beleive the girls mother said she did not want them to die but to get life in prison instead.
Cheers
Colin

eldudereno

Why should it take longer than 3 weeks?

They deserve everything they get!!!

wilf

Why is it that everything these days has to be twisted into some sort of conspiracy theory.

bluenosewrx

iTrader: (2)

They should get injected straight away IMO.life for a life and all that.

Mac

maddog321

totally agree with all the above, a friend of mine thinks that maybe they have told the two guys if they admit to it to get a quick conviction, they will be spared the death penalty......then for the government to stitch them up!

they seem to have admitted it too easily!!

New_scooby_04

iTrader: (4)

At the end of the day, we're not going to know definitively whether these two are the cluprits. We can only trust the Tai authorities and agree that if the two convicted ARE the guilty parties, then at least justice has been done (my "western" reservations about the death penalty notwithstanding).

This was an utterly repulsive thing to do to another human being and a complete waste of a promising young life.

NS04

Chip

Katherine was a neighbour of mine and went to school with my eldest so my feelings were at first that it was right to impose the death penalty but after some thought I agree that it may be being done by the Thai Gov just to pacify the tourist industry which of course is wrong.

Katherines Mum Liz had said she wouldnt comment on the sentence but would also not be making a plea for clemency so I take it from that that she OK with the sentence thats been imposed.

Chip

Trout

iTrader: (1)

I agree with the sentiment that it all seemed too easy - however the whole of the Thai police force was out in force due to the high profile nature of the crime. I would have also thought that there would have been an observer from either the Foreign Office or UK plod.

Having been to Koh Samui several times it does seem like such an unlikely crime with such unlikely culprits - however it could be true. They had been watching pornos on their boat and their fellow crew members grassed them up say they swam ashore for some action.

In terms of the death penalty - the Thai government has been clear it is a deterrent because of the damage to the tourist industry in the only beach resort totally unaffected by the tsunami.

The British government have praised the swift justice, but condemned the death penalty (and personally I think they are right to do so).

Rannoch

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

The same ones who prosecuted the Birmingham 6? Or the ones who prosecuted the Guildford 4?

Or perhaps the ones who arrested the old man at the Labour party conference? Or the ones who led the 79 year old woman with angina out of her house with handcuffs on?

Or any of those who brokes miners' heads to support Thatcher's goverment?

British Police? Don't make me laugh............trust them as far as you could chuck a car load

Alcazar

tmo

Lethal injection……… bit too nice in my opinion.