Council Workers to strike over pensions
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Council Workers to strike over pensions
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So theyre pissed off because they might not be able to retire at 60?!!!!
Theres not enough money to go round for hospitals etc, and yet they still expect to be able to retire earlier than most people, all thanks to tax payers money?!!!
They can **** off
So theyre pissed off because they might not be able to retire at 60?!!!!
Theres not enough money to go round for hospitals etc, and yet they still expect to be able to retire earlier than most people, all thanks to tax payers money?!!!
They can **** off
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Agree, about time the jolly club realised that out in the normal world things have changed.
Daughter misses yet another day's education to add the already abnormal amount of holidays / inset / training days
Daughter misses yet another day's education to add the already abnormal amount of holidays / inset / training days
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David - I am an IFA and I want to retire before 60. How do I go about this? I invest more of my income now to provide for the future. I am aware that as life expectancy increases I will either have to pay more in now, or take less at the other end. When someone started delivering bins 25 years ago, they would be expecting to retire at 60 and be dead by 70. Now they will on average survive to 77. If they want to maintain the status they they started with, they should be allowed to retire at 60, but their pension stops at 70. It seems to me that they want to have their cake and eat it, which is fair enough, but they want someone else to pay for it
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I think there may be a little more to it than that!
In October (iirc), a bill was passed that meant all new state workers (i.e. police etc) would be unable to retire at 60, the unions etc managed to arrange that people currently employed could still retire at 60. For some reason, this did not include local government workers, so they are effectively in the same pension scheme, but on different terms to all other workers now!
I can totally understand there reasons to strike - as I would guess a lot of them planned at retiring when 60, and now all the plans have been p!ssed on!
I think had it not been 1 rule for 1 and a different rule for another, then strikes wouldnt have taken place (or they would have, but they would have included all the other services too!)
In October (iirc), a bill was passed that meant all new state workers (i.e. police etc) would be unable to retire at 60, the unions etc managed to arrange that people currently employed could still retire at 60. For some reason, this did not include local government workers, so they are effectively in the same pension scheme, but on different terms to all other workers now!
I can totally understand there reasons to strike - as I would guess a lot of them planned at retiring when 60, and now all the plans have been p!ssed on!
I think had it not been 1 rule for 1 and a different rule for another, then strikes wouldnt have taken place (or they would have, but they would have included all the other services too!)
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Originally Posted by Petem95
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4848584.stm
So theyre pissed off because they might not be able to retire at 60?!!!!
Theres not enough money to go round for hospitals etc, and yet they still expect to be able to retire earlier than most people, all thanks to tax payers money?!!!
They can **** off
So theyre pissed off because they might not be able to retire at 60?!!!!
Theres not enough money to go round for hospitals etc, and yet they still expect to be able to retire earlier than most people, all thanks to tax payers money?!!!
They can **** off
For the new starters, fair enough, I say change whatever you want, but for some poor chump who's paid in for 20 years in good faith to be told that the goal posts have moved, I dont blame them one bit for being pissed off.
and the taxpayers money thing is bollox they pay in themselves and the 'employer' also makes a contribution, just like a million other private pension schemes.
Now read all the facts before climbing on that fookin tall horse
(no I'm not one of these workers but I like to actually read into stuff before making an informed decision)
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also - 30 year ago the binman used to come down the alley, lift the bin on his back, carry it out, empty it, leave it back at the gate and collect the other bags that wouldn't fit. - 30 years of that and you are not going to see 70. Now the bin is wheeled to the end of the drive, binman wheels it 4 feet to the back of the lorry (providing that it isn't too heavy) waits a few seconds, then wheels it back. When wheelie bins were introduced, I didn't see many bin men asking for less pay because they didn't have to work so hard
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Originally Posted by fast bloke
also - 30 year ago the binman used to come down the alley, lift the bin on his back, carry it out, empty it, leave it back at the gate and collect the other bags that wouldn't fit. - 30 years of that and you are not going to see 70. Now the bin is wheeled to the end of the drive, binman wheels it 4 feet to the back of the lorry (providing that it isn't too heavy) waits a few seconds, then wheels it back. When wheelie bins were introduced, I didn't see many bin men asking for less pay because they didn't have to work so hard
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Originally Posted by Stainy
You're missing the point. This is a private pension scheme not the old age pension (which they will get at the normal age). They joined their jobs and the terms of condition were, pay x a month and retire at a set time. They paid. Government then fcuked it all up and want them to retire later. WTF!
For the new starters, fair enough, I say change whatever you want, but for some poor chump who's paid in for 20 years in good faith to be told that the goal posts have moved, I dont blame them one bit for being pissed off.
and the taxpayers money thing is bollox they pay in themselves and the 'employer' also makes a contribution, just like a million other private pension schemes.
Now read all the facts before climbing on that fookin tall horse
(no I'm not one of these workers but I like to actually read into stuff before making an informed decision)
For the new starters, fair enough, I say change whatever you want, but for some poor chump who's paid in for 20 years in good faith to be told that the goal posts have moved, I dont blame them one bit for being pissed off.
and the taxpayers money thing is bollox they pay in themselves and the 'employer' also makes a contribution, just like a million other private pension schemes.
Now read all the facts before climbing on that fookin tall horse
(no I'm not one of these workers but I like to actually read into stuff before making an informed decision)
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Originally Posted by fast bloke
also - 30 year ago the binman used to come down the alley, lift the bin on his back, carry it out, empty it, leave it back at the gate and collect the other bags that wouldn't fit. - 30 years of that and you are not going to see 70. Now the bin is wheeled to the end of the drive, binman wheels it 4 feet to the back of the lorry (providing that it isn't too heavy) waits a few seconds, then wheels it back. When wheelie bins were introduced, I didn't see many bin men asking for less pay because they didn't have to work so hard
Employees at Stoke-on-Trent City Council's under-fire social services department have clocked up 26 years of sickness in just three months. The Directorate of Social Services recorded 9,592 sick days in the three months to the end of June, with almost a third of the absences due to "nervous illness" brought about by pressures at work.
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Just like to add my 2p worth, yes the staff pay into the pension scheme, but the employer then adds upto 12% (which IS tax payers money), try finding a private scheme that does that. Most of the staff (within Council offices) are useless wasters who enjoy upto 32 days holiday, flexy time, company cars, large allowances for attending flower judging competitions etc..
Having worked at one for 11 years (and yes I admit to reaping those benefits) I know what they are like, if I still worked there then I would probably be a bit miffed at the Govt's plans, but would accept something has to be done and be honest enough to put up my hands and admit work there is cushy and be prepared to put in a little extra.
Having worked at one for 11 years (and yes I admit to reaping those benefits) I know what they are like, if I still worked there then I would probably be a bit miffed at the Govt's plans, but would accept something has to be done and be honest enough to put up my hands and admit work there is cushy and be prepared to put in a little extra.
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Well I work for a Council and I'm striking today. I don't know all the in's and outs of the pension debate but I will say this. The pension and job security is one of the last remaining perks of the public sector. If the Government erode the pension perk then they will find it increasingly hard to get good workers in to fill the jobs. In the last year I've seen the standard of applications that have come into the council for 3 professional posts, one of which was a principal post and it was woeful and we are talking a handful of applications for each post!! Everyone is moving to the private sector and taking their chances with longer working hours, less job security but usually 30%+ more pay, bonuses, chance of promotion, etc. I'll be joining them just as soon as I can.....
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Bleedy annoying. I filled the estate with garden waste yesterday for transportation to the tip today. Now I suppose it will be closed if I drive down there. Tempted to just fly tip it somewhere.
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Originally Posted by fast bloke
also - 30 year ago the binman used to come down the alley, lift the bin on his back, carry it out, empty it, leave it back at the gate and collect the other bags that wouldn't fit. - 30 years of that and you are not going to see 70. Now the bin is wheeled to the end of the drive, binman wheels it 4 feet to the back of the lorry (providing that it isn't too heavy) waits a few seconds, then wheels it back. When wheelie bins were introduced, I didn't see many bin men asking for less pay because they didn't have to work so hard
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Originally Posted by Saxo Boy
one of the last remaining perks of the public sector.
I actually agree with striking over pension rights - This government is not happy with robbing Pension Funds - it wants to rob future pensioners too. Hopefully all the people in jobs that shouldn't exist will realise where it's all leading to - UK plc as a Bankrupt
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Aye - the ******* have stopped you from browsing the web all day
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Originally Posted by jasey
Hopefully all the people in jobs that shouldn't exist will realise where it's all leading to - UK plc as a Bankrupt
Labour has created over 800,000 extra public sector jobs since coming to power. The problem is all these people doing these pointless jobs need pensions etc etc - and someone has to foot the bill....
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Originally Posted by Stainy
You're missing the point.
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and the 'employer' also makes a contribution, just like a million other private pension schemes.
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and the 'employer' also makes a contribution, just like a million other private pension schemes.
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Originally Posted by TonyFlow
I think there may be a little more to it than that!
In October (iirc), a bill was passed that meant all new state workers (i.e. police etc) would be unable to retire at 60, the unions etc managed to arrange that people currently employed could still retire at 60. For some reason, this did not include local government workers, so they are effectively in the same pension scheme, but on different terms to all other workers now!
I can totally understand there reasons to strike - as I would guess a lot of them planned at retiring when 60, and now all the plans have been p!ssed on!
I think had it not been 1 rule for 1 and a different rule for another, then strikes wouldnt have taken place (or they would have, but they would have included all the other services too!)
In October (iirc), a bill was passed that meant all new state workers (i.e. police etc) would be unable to retire at 60, the unions etc managed to arrange that people currently employed could still retire at 60. For some reason, this did not include local government workers, so they are effectively in the same pension scheme, but on different terms to all other workers now!
I can totally understand there reasons to strike - as I would guess a lot of them planned at retiring when 60, and now all the plans have been p!ssed on!
I think had it not been 1 rule for 1 and a different rule for another, then strikes wouldnt have taken place (or they would have, but they would have included all the other services too!)
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Originally Posted by TonyFlow
I think there may be a little more to it than that!
In October (iirc), a bill was passed that meant all new state workers (i.e. police etc) would be unable to retire at 60, the unions etc managed to arrange that people currently employed could still retire at 60. For some reason, this did not include local government workers, so they are effectively in the same pension scheme, but on different terms to all other workers now!
I can totally understand there reasons to strike - as I would guess a lot of them planned at retiring when 60, and now all the plans have been p!ssed on!
I think had it not been 1 rule for 1 and a different rule for another, then strikes wouldnt have taken place (or they would have, but they would have included all the other services too!)
In October (iirc), a bill was passed that meant all new state workers (i.e. police etc) would be unable to retire at 60, the unions etc managed to arrange that people currently employed could still retire at 60. For some reason, this did not include local government workers, so they are effectively in the same pension scheme, but on different terms to all other workers now!
I can totally understand there reasons to strike - as I would guess a lot of them planned at retiring when 60, and now all the plans have been p!ssed on!
I think had it not been 1 rule for 1 and a different rule for another, then strikes wouldnt have taken place (or they would have, but they would have included all the other services too!)
Look at all the stats, from productivity to sickness and the private sector is better across the board.
In Scotland, at least, working for local government has always been and no doubt always will be, the easy option.
And as for social workers being off work with stress - do me a favour. Don't they read the fooking job description before they sign up?
Kenny, no offence dude, but if you move to the private sector you won't know what's hit you to begin with when you are answerable to the person who (in your line of business at least) actually pays your salary from income which otherwise would be theirs.
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Originally Posted by Ted Maul
please don't confuse this thread with facts
Didnt realise that ALL council workers sit around doing **** all!
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Originally Posted by TonyFlow
Yeah, sorry (a council worker who IS NOT striking today, and who has always been a grafter for the local council) must have given me the information wrong then!
Didnt realise that ALL council workers sit around doing **** all!
Didnt realise that ALL council workers sit around doing **** all!
In the real world these people tend to get weeded out in the world of local government is is just accepted.
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It is generally those "higher up" who are taking the p!ss in the council. I can say that all those in my mothers team always seem to be exceptionally busy (especially now, as they are producing the local plan).
She is not sure of anyone who is off "long-term" ill though, as she doesnt have time to go round checking/talking to the different depts
She is not sure of anyone who is off "long-term" ill though, as she doesnt have time to go round checking/talking to the different depts
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Originally Posted by Paul Habgood
I doubt if all do but from who and what i know a lot do because it is so easy to do so. I fo you where to ask your mum i bet she knows somwone who works for the council who is off on long term sick. Someone who just got promoted due to how long they have worked there, not on ability or suitability for the job. I bet she knows people regularly taking time of 'ill' with a nuber of unprovable conditions.
In the real world these people tend to get weeded out in the world of local government is is just accepted.
In the real world these people tend to get weeded out in the world of local government is is just accepted.
Light duties meant working half a day a week .