P1Fanatic

Heard this on the radio in the car today. 1st muslim scout group. Muslims historically havent attended due to associations with Christian Religion.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/b...re/4920864.stm

So they cant join "normal" scout packs yet they wish to integrate with the scouting community. How does that work?

Simon.

brumdaisy

wonder what would happen if scout groups, or any other group for that matter became white only?

flamin hypocracy

brumdaisy

wonder what would happen if scout groups, or any other group for that matter became white only?

flamin hypocracy

cw42

iTrader: (1)

Nothing wrong with teaching the youth of today those qualities, but why do it with the scouting group as a front? Doesn't the muslim community have some figurehead like we've got Lord Baden Powell to hold up?
Off to refresh my memory as to how the scouting movement got going.

cw42

iTrader: (1)

http://www.scoutingresources.org.uk/scouting_index.html
excellent resource, praise be to google

taken from the above site:
Doesn't mention anything about religion there, and my son, who is a cub scout, never has the religion side of pushed on him, and that's at a predominatly catholic scout group.

Pc uk going mad again

Chip

Looks like their taking over then:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_east/4847286.stm

I don't suppose they'll be cooking their Pork sausages on the camp fire though

Dont suppose they'll honour the scout law either

On my honour I will Love God; Honour the Queen; Respect all.

Chip

watto52

is this a multi racial country? or is it us against them?

what i mean is, we let people from different backgrounds into the country, but they just want to either take over or push their rules in so they have sepperate things to us. Why cant we just mixin together regardless of race or religon?

Chip

Thats right, imagine the fuss is there was a white christian only scout group formed.

Chip

Leslie

There is nothing that I could see about it being restricted to Muslims only. In fact the news article says it is open to the public.

Can't understand why so many assume that it is a closed unit to Muslims only. Might be worth reading things properly before you jump to a stupid conclusion. The Welsh group in fact says specifically that it is open to non Muslims.

I thoroughly enjoyed my time in the Scouts. It embraces all religions and we had quite a few members from diverse faiths. We were taught to accept each other as people and judge others by their characters.

I for one applaud the Muslim groups for starting those Scout Troops and expect that it will do nothing but good.

The remarks about training for terrorist acts were well out of order, not funny in the least, and he who made them should be ashamed.

Les

BOB.T

And

Make it sound like it's for muslims only, otherwise the article would be 'a load of muslims join the cubs'.

cookstar

iTrader: (6)

Will English be the ONLY spoken language in these groups, if NOT then they are not welcoming NON Muslims at all.

JTaylor

Nice one Les, pretty much sums up my feelings.

cookstar

iTrader: (6)

Which is where my question come from, will there be English only spoken?

Simple way of making English/NON Muslim kids made to feel excluded

JTaylor

In Great Britain we are entirely at liberty to speak whichever language we like.

cookstar

iTrader: (6)

My point is. if there is a group which is "open to all" does not speak a universal language to all. then how can it be aimed at everyone?



^^that was answered before you edited your post

watto52

[quote=cookstar]My point is. if there is a group which is "open to all" does not speak a universal language to all. then how can it be aimed at everyone?



^^that was answered before you edited your post[/quot

its a fair question in my point of view. In some schools nowadays its just muslim speaking where the english has become a minority. I fear one day england will not become english anymore. Yes i welome visitors etc but this is ENGLAND. Our nationality is going to pot, and were letting it.

picasso

we have a property developer here in dewsbury who is building a new housing developement aimed at muslims only. same theme as the scout group - imagine what an outcry there would be if someone built some houses for whites only!
what is this country coming to?

imi

Where's the news article ?

brumdaisy

Well I've read the article three times now and it is quite blatently promoting the benefits of the club to the islamic community.

If you saw an article inviting 'the public' to join a OAP group that gives OAPs a free dinner you wouldnt go unless a) you're an OAP or b) you're very very bored

Petem95

What a ******* joke

Wont be long until this country is under sharia law at this rate - muslims are by far the fastest growing minority, and their demands are always met by the leftie government who will bend over to their every demand

All I can say is the BNP are going to have a VERY strong showing in future elections...

Ted Maul

spot on Leslie.

I went to a jewish scout group, did all the things other scouts did, just meant that on religous days we did slightly different things, and at scout camp we ate beef sausages separately to the other groups who ate pork.

scouts will teach these muslim children good skills, in a familiar environment for them, while being able to follow religious practice.

Johnny E

It seems to me this ia about the religious beliefs of the group, not the colour, as there are white muslims beleive it or not.

I don't beleive I have read anywhere that white people are not welcome black/brown people need only apply.

Saying that I have seen some muslims at out local catholic school, and not too sure how that works? - at least assumed they were muslim as wore the head-dress thingy.

Tiggs

have any of you been to Oxford Rd, Reading???? i would imagine those kids being part of a local kids club (for muslims/whatever) is better than hanging around the streets.

cant see how this is like "england going to pot"......things evolve, thats life.....saxons, romans, french......times change, so does who lives here - i hardly think some muslims going camping is on a parr with the Viking Invasion.

Bubba po

Their woggles are just the same as everyone else's. It's about time this was realised.

Suresh

Whilst setting up scouting activities is a very positive step for the kids and adults taking part - making it 'muslims only' isn't really helping the existing integration problem. That said, I did a Google search and found Jewish and Sikh scouting groups too - so why not a muslim one then?


What's worrying for me is that apparently you cannot become a scout leader unless you have a belief in God!
(from the UKSA website):

3. Restrictions to adult Membership on the basis of religious belief

While it is not acceptable to deny a volunteer entry to the Movement because of their membership of a faith community, a person would not be suitable as a Leader if he or she:

- were an atheist;
- believed that religious belief and spiritual development did not matter, although were willing to make the Promise;
- were a humanist and did not believe in a spiritual aspect to human beings;
- had religious beliefs which conflicted with other fundamental principles of Scouting, such as the world-wide family of Scouting.


va va voom : it's only the internet mate, no need to get all agressive because someone makes a tasteless joke. Religion of peace and all that....


Suresh

The Zohan

Hi Suresh, i agree it would be much better if scout groups where intergrated, kids go to know each other and each other cultures and ways, segregation can only lead to a lack of understanding and mistrust, that leads to fear and worse.

As for Jewish and sikh only scout groups - this is unnacceptable

I find is a little sad and also inverted racism to have for instance
An Association of Black Police Officers - are that that different from white officers whist set up for the right resasons man, many years ago does this have a place in 2006???

Can you imagine the uproar if there was an association of White only Police Officers


There are a lot of issues like this that need addressing by worldly wise level headed people, not just the PC who think thery should champion these causes

JTaylor

Bloody bigoted the Scout movement, what about all those poor atheists that have been excluded?!

On a serious note, should we not be congratulating this particular group of Muslims for embracing such a culturally significant institution as the Cub Scouts? What do the detractors suggest? Should Muslim boys join a Christian pack and leave the hall when the Lord's Prayer is read with the reverse happening during Salat?

On my honor, I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.

1. A Scout is to be trusted.
2. A Scout is loyal.
3. A Scout is friendly and considerate.
4. A Scout belongs to the world-wide family of Scouts.
5. A Scout has courage in all difficulties.
6. A Scout makes good use of time and is careful of possessions and property.
7. A Scout has self-respect and respect for others.

The Oath and Law transcends the dispute over the phrophets and at Jamboree these words can be spoken by all.

BexTait

What I don't get is why do they need a Muslim Scout Group when they can quite easily join any other Scout group that exists? They're all part of the same movement, so why almost imply that they are in some way different/separate by being the Mulim Scout Group (which is what the name suggests to me).

JTaylor

Christians believe that Christ is the Son of God, Muslims don't. This point seems to have become fairly significant over the years. Despite this, Muslims would like to be part of the Scout movement and in a flurry of pragmatism decided to set-up a pack that accomodates the religious differences but doesn't deny them the opportunity to be one of Lord Baden-Powell's finest.

Senior_AP

Muslim only eh.

They've got the right idea with segregation, just a shame if we followed suit it'd be deemed racist.