Flying: Checking things in to the hold
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Flying: Checking things in to the hold
Hello
I'm flying on Sunday and assuming all this stuff today doesn't blow over, does anyone know what insurance/liability I have for things that are checked in?
i.e. I'll have to check in my laptop, mobile phone, Nintendo (which I'll leave at home probably) etc ..
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I'm flying on Sunday and assuming all this stuff today doesn't blow over, does anyone know what insurance/liability I have for things that are checked in?
i.e. I'll have to check in my laptop, mobile phone, Nintendo (which I'll leave at home probably) etc ..
Thanks,
Steve
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Be interested myself, seems like you cant take a phone onboard, the misses flys to Dublin in a few hours and if she leaves her phone in a suitcase that can easily be opened by a baggage attendant and swiped where do we stand with missing property etc etc...
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Originally Posted by FlightMan
I think insurance for this is difficult to get, if not impossible. My advice is leave it all at home.
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We've been told today we aren't supposed to check our laptops in, but that we have to comply with the security rules. Not sure what that means, probably that work still expects us to travel but then will sack us for breach of contract if our laptops/phones get nicked.
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Hello
Thanks for the replies. I need my laptop to check mail etc .. for work. I guess I'll check with them.
Lots of laptops and mobile phones on ebay soon then
Steve
Thanks for the replies. I need my laptop to check mail etc .. for work. I guess I'll check with them.
Lots of laptops and mobile phones on ebay soon then
Steve
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they have to go in your suitcase make sure you put a good padlock on your case i use a measuring tape through the zips coz why would someone wanna touch that make sure its in loads on knots too
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Baggage handlers at certain places (MIAMI!!!!) will be having a field day with flights from the uk
This no hand baggage crap should only last a short while- will be back sooner rather than later, but with no liquids/gels/toothpaste etc in carry on as the new rule, like the US have implemented with immediate effect from yesterday.
I phoned American Express yesterday ( travel+flight+ damage/delayed/stolen luggage insurance included with the AmEx I have) and they said that during this farce, they had invoked their 'terrorism' clause so wouldnt be covered should anything happen
Check with your provider carefully.
Should still be covered by the Airlines (in my experience very limited!) cover, but personally I wouldnt risk my laptop in the hold-ditto for phone.
This no hand baggage crap should only last a short while- will be back sooner rather than later, but with no liquids/gels/toothpaste etc in carry on as the new rule, like the US have implemented with immediate effect from yesterday.
I phoned American Express yesterday ( travel+flight+ damage/delayed/stolen luggage insurance included with the AmEx I have) and they said that during this farce, they had invoked their 'terrorism' clause so wouldnt be covered should anything happen
Check with your provider carefully.
Should still be covered by the Airlines (in my experience very limited!) cover, but personally I wouldnt risk my laptop in the hold-ditto for phone.
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So what stops a terrorist putting a timing device into a laptop, plugging it in to a bottle of liquid explosive and putting it in his suitcase? dl
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Well the misses went to Dublin this morning. (Ive been up since half 4 )
I rang the airline last night and they said Dublin airport will let you take hand luggage on now which is good, no other airport is allowing it though. Also told that if we put our mobiles in the suitcase and it goes walkies then its tough, we wont be covered unless we have travel insurance...WTF
Ohh well, she arrived safely and on time so no arguements. The airport wasnt even half as busy as I expected it to be either this morning.
I rang the airline last night and they said Dublin airport will let you take hand luggage on now which is good, no other airport is allowing it though. Also told that if we put our mobiles in the suitcase and it goes walkies then its tough, we wont be covered unless we have travel insurance...WTF
Ohh well, she arrived safely and on time so no arguements. The airport wasnt even half as busy as I expected it to be either this morning.
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According to the news this morning, BA will only pay £50 for a broken Laptop.
An Orchestra are about to fly out, and they normally would have their expensive, sensitive instruments as hand lugage. A chello player books 2 seats, one for him, and one for his instrument.
They are being told, either put them in the hold where they will be just thrown on like any other type of luggage, and brobably damaged, with very little or no compensation or, .................... buy a new one when you get to your destination ??? Yeah, sounds like good advise
They are taking things just too ******* far. It's stupid.
An Orchestra are about to fly out, and they normally would have their expensive, sensitive instruments as hand lugage. A chello player books 2 seats, one for him, and one for his instrument.
They are being told, either put them in the hold where they will be just thrown on like any other type of luggage, and brobably damaged, with very little or no compensation or, .................... buy a new one when you get to your destination ??? Yeah, sounds like good advise
They are taking things just too ******* far. It's stupid.
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Originally Posted by Stephb1986
not sure if you can see through laptops though
I've always understood that the scanning machines for hold baggege is a lot stronger and may affect hard drives, film etc Is that true?
This will not last! It is just a knee jerk reaction. Nowhere else has banned carry on (including the US)- its only Ex-uk while they sort this crap out.
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So what stops a terrorist putting a timing device into a laptop, plugging it in to a bottle of liquid explosive and putting it in his suitcase? dl
The detection systems for checked bags are pretty complex these days and they would pick something like that up straightaway, automatically and with manual operators.
Also all checked bags are checked for explosives. Now I think this is where the authorities have a slight advantage in that they already know virtually every explosive compound available - ie: it would probably be near impossible that terrorists would develop an explosive compound that was so new that it was unknown about, without a billion dollar research program behind them.
The construction of explosive devices is well hit and miss too, it would be extremely hard to make a reliable bomb that would explode merely because of an electrical discharge (without a detonator). Many of the components are quite unstable especially when home-made.
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Originally Posted by KiwiGTI
A few things really.
The detection systems for checked bags are pretty complex these days and they would pick something like that up straightaway, automatically and with manual operators.
Also all checked bags are checked for explosives. Now I think this is where the authorities have a slight advantage in that they already know virtually every explosive compound available - ie: it would probably be near impossible that terrorists would develop an explosive compound that was so new that it was unknown about, without a billion dollar research program behind them.
The construction of explosive devices is well hit and miss too, it would be extremely hard to make a reliable bomb that would explode merely because of an electrical discharge (without a detonator). Many of the components are quite unstable especially when home-made.
The detection systems for checked bags are pretty complex these days and they would pick something like that up straightaway, automatically and with manual operators.
Also all checked bags are checked for explosives. Now I think this is where the authorities have a slight advantage in that they already know virtually every explosive compound available - ie: it would probably be near impossible that terrorists would develop an explosive compound that was so new that it was unknown about, without a billion dollar research program behind them.
The construction of explosive devices is well hit and miss too, it would be extremely hard to make a reliable bomb that would explode merely because of an electrical discharge (without a detonator). Many of the components are quite unstable especially when home-made.
Anyway it's not my field so I hope you are correct dl
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Are you also forgetting that baggage containers are also designed to 'hold' an explosive blast without allowing fatal damage to the superstructure of an aircraft.........
And all 'electrical devices are turned OFF while in a suitcase, thus making an active electrical device VERY easy to identify...... along with ANY mechanical device (i.e. timer)......
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And all 'electrical devices are turned OFF while in a suitcase, thus making an active electrical device VERY easy to identify...... along with ANY mechanical device (i.e. timer)......
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Originally Posted by David Lock
Fair enough but I think you have your rose tinted glasses on. The reality is a few guys looking at the scanner that deals with 300 plus cases rapidly and looking for a few extra wires in a laptop or camera or whatever. And I thought the point about the latest "liquid" explosive thing was that it couldn't be seen by a scanner or sniffed out by Fido?
Anyway it's not my field so I hope you are correct dl
Anyway it's not my field so I hope you are correct dl
And I think the liquid explosive has to be mixed from a couple of components and used pretty much straight away.
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Originally Posted by KiwiGTI
Most quality airport scanners are automated now.
And I think the liquid explosive has to be mixed from a couple of components and used pretty much straight away.
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Only the belts are automated..... EVERY scanner has a HIGHLY trained operator..... there is NO alternative to the human eye & savy.....
That's assuming its the product you are assuming it is........
That's assuming its the product you are assuming it is........
I'm not really assuming it was any product but one of the biggest fears they have had for a while is multiple people bring components together on a plane, components that perhaps wouldn't be suspicious individually.
With the tens of thousands of flights around the world there when was the last time one was blown up by cargo hold baggage? I think most ecurity experts think this avenue has effectively been blocked off because if the effective screening in place.
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Originally Posted by DCI Gene Hunt
Are you also forgetting that baggage containers are also designed to 'hold' an explosive blast without allowing fatal damage to the superstructure of an aircraft.........
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Originally Posted by KiwiGTI
Of course they have operators, but they usually deal only with false positives identified by the machines (or real postives)
I'm not really assuming it was any product but one of the biggest fears they have had for a while is multiple people bring components together on a plane, components that perhaps wouldn't be suspicious individually.
With the tens of thousands of flights around the world there when was the last time one was blown up by cargo hold baggage? I think most ecurity experts think this avenue has effectively been blocked off because if the effective screening in place.
I'm not really assuming it was any product but one of the biggest fears they have had for a while is multiple people bring components together on a plane, components that perhaps wouldn't be suspicious individually.
With the tens of thousands of flights around the world there when was the last time one was blown up by cargo hold baggage? I think most ecurity experts think this avenue has effectively been blocked off because if the effective screening in place.
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Originally Posted by ricardo
It was the analysis of the Lockerbie damage that led to the new designs of cargo containers.
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David, the containers are a standard design and will retrofit into anything of the same class. So your 25 year old Cameroon Airlines DC10 (for example) will be as bomb proof as a newish MD11.
In theory.
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In theory.
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Yes that is spot on, however you should also appreciate that 'modern' aircraft' also have their flight critical systems routed away from the baggage/cargo hold area (just in case) but unfortunately this is not the case with older aircraft......
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Originally Posted by Stephb1986
make sure you put a good padlock on your case
The best course of action would be to get a padlock that is recognised by the airport security services (I use these to secure my Peli boxes when transporting my digital camera equipment overseas). They're always opened by security but they have keys to the padlock (we are promised that baggage handlers do NOT have them... I live in hope!) so no damage is done and as soon as they see the lenses etc, the treat them gently and with care, as you'd hope they would.
They're just doing a job (that we're mostly grateful for) so the best thing to do is to help them get on with it. The chances of damage/theft are so small it's almost not worth worrying about. Take precautions, but don't go overboard.
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I remember being hauled out of the lounge at Jo'burg airport once and marched by some mean looking security staff to an empty bit of tarmac - empty that was aside from my suitcase surrounded by barking German Sheperds! Turned out my electric razoz had turned itself on and was buzzing away.... dl