David Lock

With Bush facing humiliation at the elections in a few days perhaps the only way he could save face might be a home grown terrorist attack to "prove" the necessity of his anti-terror strategy.

So my twisted mind wonders if just such a thing might be "arranged". I guess not actual American deaths but perhaps a plot "discovered" - say a Muslim cell planning to kidnap American high schools kids? Something to get to the American psyche?

So could USA politics sink this low or have I been watching too much Spooks? dl

suprabeast

Isn't that what bLiars just done??

maybe they dreamed the idea up together?

FlightMan

The Gettysburg address....

"Govt of the people, by the people, for the people" ?

My @rse. I wouldn't put anything past these w@nkers.

I was watching Question Time last night and Charles Clarke said people could opt out of "big brother" by not having a bank account, not having credit cards, not leaving the country etc. ie, having no electronic footprint.
What fecking planet do these people live on? Unless your part of the black economy, you can't get paid unless you have a bank account!!!

And I wont even start on the Green taxes debate they had.

Rant over.

If only I could convince my missus, I'd be one of those 500 people leaving this God forsaken **** hole of a country.

amazinggrace

Where would you go?

stilover

They've done it once before (9/11 anyone) so why not again?

davegtt

Yeah because we had full on conclusive proof of that didnt we

FlightMan

Having been to Oz, and currently working with several of Australians, Oz appeals greatly. Loads of space, it has the feel of a young country, and the outdoor life appeals greatly.

+ its about as far away from here as you can get.

Gav

New Zeland is the future! This country is fooked!

davegtt

Agreed NZ would be my choice, moving to Oz with a country of criminals, no thanks

amazinggrace

Oz would be ok if you can afford to start a business or have a profession.

My hubby has a dream of moving to Spain. Im put off because I speak very little Spanish and have no real profession. I don't want to work in a English/Spanish bar until I retire.

TopBanana

Property in New Zealand is amongst the most expensive in the world, along with the UK and Australia.

FlightMan

My sister in law is moving to Oz with her partner, who is Australian. Property in and around Brisbane, where she comes from, is much cheaper than over here. Plus the Oz Govt give you a large cash sum when you buy a property. Cant remember the figure tho. They can get a 3 bedroom detached house where they're looking, can only afford and 2 bed back to back house here.

stilover

I haven't had any full on proof to say otherwise though.

Government backed "independant reports" mean fcukall to me.

The Chief

Yep and be faced with nutters like these.....

http://steelturman.typepad.com/photo...ized/maori.JPG

David Lock

Just as soon as he gets out...........

amazinggrace

What

He's getting out? Who told you?

Time to change my name and run, nice knowing you all,


byeeeeeeeeeeeee

Leslie

So many politicians are unprincipled and out and out lying crooks these days.

Les

AudiLover

thats because so many rich english are going over there. Buy some land and build your own home and it will be alot cheaper.

warrenm2

wasnt expensive when I was out there 3 years ago - about 100-150K (depending on area) for a 3 bed bungalow with a decent amount of land. I dont call that expensive. Wouldnt have thought it had changed that much in 3 years...

philc

spot on, that man!

Having just sold 2 properties in NZ and one in the UK I would say that property in NZ is about one third the price of UK property.

(and unlike Australia, there are no NZ troops in Iraq)