It beggars belief...
22 August 2007, 11:37 PM
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It beggars belief...
Boy Critical After Being Shot |Sky News|House Ads
Gang related at the age of 10/11? Shot by a hoodie on a BMX? What the hell has this fcuked up country turned into?
Other sad UK news tonight:
Girl Stable After Pub Airgun Incident |Sky News|UK News
Toddler Dies In Swimming Accident |Sky News|UK News
Post Mortem On Baby Killed In Buggy Tragedy |Sky News|Home
News all about young kids dieing or being seriously injured. Does anything good ever happen anymore in Britain to be reported in the news because at the moment it seems to be nothing but depressing stories about kids being killed?
An interview with Cameron tonight just about summed up the totally out of touch views our politicians have. He sugggested that the way to deal with youngsters and punishing those behind serious crime was to take away what they value most such as delaying their driving license application! FFS they drive without licenses and couldn't give a toss if someone said they had to wait another 2 years etc, they'd just drive anyway. They even interviewed a kid and he said exactly that, he said it would just make those who do the crime more angry and they would end up driving without a license anyway
The politicians are so out of touch with reality its no wonder nothing is being done to stop serious crime 
The police are powerless to do anything because the totally and utterly useless CPS do **** all to prosecute those that the police hand to them on a plate. The jails are too full that the judges can't send offenders to jail so the criminals know they can commit crime and walk free.
Does the Government and any of the politicians in this country actually know what their job is? It certainly doesn't look like it.
Gang related at the age of 10/11? Shot by a hoodie on a BMX? What the hell has this fcuked up country turned into?
Other sad UK news tonight:
Girl Stable After Pub Airgun Incident |Sky News|UK News
Toddler Dies In Swimming Accident |Sky News|UK News
Post Mortem On Baby Killed In Buggy Tragedy |Sky News|Home
News all about young kids dieing or being seriously injured. Does anything good ever happen anymore in Britain to be reported in the news because at the moment it seems to be nothing but depressing stories about kids being killed?
An interview with Cameron tonight just about summed up the totally out of touch views our politicians have. He sugggested that the way to deal with youngsters and punishing those behind serious crime was to take away what they value most such as delaying their driving license application! FFS they drive without licenses and couldn't give a toss if someone said they had to wait another 2 years etc, they'd just drive anyway. They even interviewed a kid and he said exactly that, he said it would just make those who do the crime more angry and they would end up driving without a license anyway
The politicians are so out of touch with reality its no wonder nothing is being done to stop serious crime The police are powerless to do anything because the totally and utterly useless CPS do **** all to prosecute those that the police hand to them on a plate. The jails are too full that the judges can't send offenders to jail so the criminals know they can commit crime and walk free.Does the Government and any of the politicians in this country actually know what their job is? It certainly doesn't look like it.
23 August 2007, 09:34 AM
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Most sensible things I have read in the press in months wonder if anyone will listen??
Norman Brennan, director of the Victims of Crime Trust, said: "This shooting surely has pushed Britain to a turning point or to the point of no return.
"We have now got to wake up and work together to take back the cities, towns and villages that are controlled by those who carry and use guns and knives or act criminally or anti-socially or these senseless child murders will become an unacceptable norm on the streets of Britain."
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Originally Posted by Wurzel
Most sensible things I have read in the press in months wonder if anyone will listen??
Obviously there is no one solution. I would say you need a multi pronged attack on youth crime, which would include much stiffer sentences for carrying offensive weapons, (if you are caught carrying an offensive weapon you go inside, to either borstal or prison for a short sharp shock, regardless of previous record) greater investment in inner city areas and youths that are skirting on the wrong side of the law, coupled with greater numbers of police.
There is no one simple solution, that's for sure.
23 August 2007, 10:27 AM
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that is pretty depressing reading, the last few years this country has really started going down the pan.
its alright for all these politicians in their nice high paid jobs and expensive homes, things are great for them!.
in reality though most areas in britain are rapidly going downhill with crime on the up and people doing it getting away with it.
takes the p1ss now that you can be up on assault charge for injuring someone breaking into your home, and they get off with community service or something silly. they seem to have more rights than those not committing crimes!.
they should focus more on the scum in the community rather than trying to sort out speeding motorists and other petty things.
its alright for all these politicians in their nice high paid jobs and expensive homes, things are great for them!.
in reality though most areas in britain are rapidly going downhill with crime on the up and people doing it getting away with it.
takes the p1ss now that you can be up on assault charge for injuring someone breaking into your home, and they get off with community service or something silly. they seem to have more rights than those not committing crimes!.
they should focus more on the scum in the community rather than trying to sort out speeding motorists and other petty things.
23 August 2007, 10:51 AM
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Ive said it before, if it happened to one of there own, there would be reform overnight, with a major crackdown.
Unfortunately they are so far removed from the populous, I was going to say they have no idea, but i reckon they do, but by admitting it, they become partly accountable....
There are two major factors that compound the issue
The first being the disastrous human rights act, far from achieving its aims, it has become a get out clause for criminals, where there actions are "suddenly " there rights? yet the rights of the aggrieved don't count.?
Secondly the CPS again it seems to champion the rights of the criminals over the rights of the victims, how often do you see career crims, bailed or given community service ffs!!!
There are other things that could be done that would vastly improve the situation, sentencing could befit the crime, not the social experiment that is going on at the time.
The police also need a shake up with the emphasis on nicking crims, rather than victims, and much needs to be done to improve the morale and relationships with the public as well.
Mart
Unfortunately they are so far removed from the populous, I was going to say they have no idea, but i reckon they do, but by admitting it, they become partly accountable....
There are two major factors that compound the issue
The first being the disastrous human rights act, far from achieving its aims, it has become a get out clause for criminals, where there actions are "suddenly " there rights? yet the rights of the aggrieved don't count.?
Secondly the CPS again it seems to champion the rights of the criminals over the rights of the victims, how often do you see career crims, bailed or given community service ffs!!!
There are other things that could be done that would vastly improve the situation, sentencing could befit the crime, not the social experiment that is going on at the time.
The police also need a shake up with the emphasis on nicking crims, rather than victims, and much needs to be done to improve the morale and relationships with the public as well.
Mart
23 August 2007, 12:12 PM
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I think the basic problem is thet children need to be educated from an early age to be proper members of society. If they are left to their own devices being allowed to go and do what they want with no guidance and no rules to follow they will naturally take a wrong path in life.
The only people who can start their children off correctly from a young age are the parents. We know have single parent or dysfunctional families who either are unable or just dont want to bother to control their children. The break up of what used to be normal family life has contributed to all that of course.
It is difficult to know exactly how to reverse this tendency. Maybe parents should be held responsible for the behaviour of their children with compensation having to be paid to victims of assault and also there should be real penalties for those who break the law, or transcend common decency. All this lefty pc crap about rehabilitation is so much hogwash and will never work, they just laugh at it and take full advantage of the situation.
Will we ever get a strong leader who is alive to the situation and will actually do something about it I wonder?
Les
The only people who can start their children off correctly from a young age are the parents. We know have single parent or dysfunctional families who either are unable or just dont want to bother to control their children. The break up of what used to be normal family life has contributed to all that of course.
It is difficult to know exactly how to reverse this tendency. Maybe parents should be held responsible for the behaviour of their children with compensation having to be paid to victims of assault and also there should be real penalties for those who break the law, or transcend common decency. All this lefty pc crap about rehabilitation is so much hogwash and will never work, they just laugh at it and take full advantage of the situation.
Will we ever get a strong leader who is alive to the situation and will actually do something about it I wonder?
Les
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23 August 2007, 12:21 PM
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I strongly believe you should be made to pay for any criman dmage you commit too. It seems that you can do thousands of £s worth of damage to someone'e possesions, and get a minimal fine, then plead povity. If everything you had would be sold of fto pay for the damage, you just might think twice.
Hardly in the same league as shooting a kid, but all crims start somewhere
completely agree about the Human Rights Act. Commit a crime - loose your rights. It's that simple.
Hardly in the same league as shooting a kid, but all crims start somewhere
completely agree about the Human Rights Act. Commit a crime - loose your rights. It's that simple.
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