DNA National Database for everyone!
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DNA National Database for everyone!
Finally!!
Some sensible views from the Judges bench .....
This is something I have long been a supporter of ......
EVERYONE on the DNA database .... I would also add blood sample and fingerprints.
Start in the Pikey Parks, Council Estates and Gypsy Camps ..... that will solve 95% of all crime.
Then migrate into the more affluent areas to mop up the final 5%.
Anyone who objects would be guilty of a criminal offence and therefore need their DNA, Fingerprints, photo taken in any case
Lets fight back, lets get this country into the kind of place where your grannies and daughters can walk the street at night, where you can drive the car of your choice and park it where you wish, where the door on your house is locked simply to stop the wind blowing it open.
Some sensible views from the Judges bench .....
This is something I have long been a supporter of ......
EVERYONE on the DNA database .... I would also add blood sample and fingerprints.
Start in the Pikey Parks, Council Estates and Gypsy Camps ..... that will solve 95% of all crime.
Then migrate into the more affluent areas to mop up the final 5%.
Anyone who objects would be guilty of a criminal offence and therefore need their DNA, Fingerprints, photo taken in any case
Lets fight back, lets get this country into the kind of place where your grannies and daughters can walk the street at night, where you can drive the car of your choice and park it where you wish, where the door on your house is locked simply to stop the wind blowing it open.
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It is an idiotic idea. Only those convicted of a crime should be on the database. Not those arrested, not those bought in for quesitoning, not witnesses.
The problem of everyone being on the database is that is shifts the burden of guilt from proving guilt, to proving innocence, and that can't be right.
We all hear stories of the benefits office paying out too much due to computer error, or the Gas company charging £30,000 to a customer.
What happens when the DNA databse makes a mistake? "Opps sorry, didn't mean to put you inside for 25 years, like.."
This quote summed up for me, the typical attitude of the police these days
See, being arrested, doesn't make you guilty. We all know police have long wanted to do away with all that hassle of having to prove someone did something, let's hope they don't get thier way.
The problem of everyone being on the database is that is shifts the burden of guilt from proving guilt, to proving innocence, and that can't be right.
We all hear stories of the benefits office paying out too much due to computer error, or the Gas company charging £30,000 to a customer.
What happens when the DNA databse makes a mistake? "Opps sorry, didn't mean to put you inside for 25 years, like.."
This quote summed up for me, the typical attitude of the police these days
Originally Posted by BBC
Tony Lake, chief constable of Lincolnshire Police and chairman of the DNA board, said there needed to be a debate.
"If people have been convicted or have been arrested for offences which involve violent crime or offences of a sexual nature, I think there is an argument [that DNA] should stay on the database for life," he said.
"If people have been convicted or have been arrested for offences which involve violent crime or offences of a sexual nature, I think there is an argument [that DNA] should stay on the database for life," he said.
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You would have a kiddie killer - arrested for shoplifting and released without charge - not have his DNA taken and therefore never be nailed for the killing and torture of a 4 year old child?? as an example ....................... because that's what you are saying!
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I disagree, there have been cases where a person - brought in for questioning on a minor offence - have had their DNA matched to a previous serious crime, like Rape or/and Murder!!
You would have a kiddie killer - arrested for shoplifting and released without charge - not have his DNA taken and therefore never be nailed for the killing and torture of a 4 year old child?? as an example ....................... because that's what you are saying!
You would have a kiddie killer - arrested for shoplifting and released without charge - not have his DNA taken and therefore never be nailed for the killing and torture of a 4 year old child?? as an example ....................... because that's what you are saying!
Let's deal in realities - People who commit those sort of horrible crimes, Rape, murder etc should be convicted on the strength of the case against them, not because they have thier DNA on record.
I agree the debate need to be had because the situation as it is is ridiculous.
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Nah, anything that makes catching - just ONE - kiddie killer gets my vote EVERYTIME ............ regardless whether the PC Brigade cry about loss of civil liberties.
It's about time we got TOUGH and I mean really tough!!
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It's not detecting criminals that's the problem, I think traditional policing methods already have that covered. It's securing convictions that seems to be the sticking point, and adequate sentencing.
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(i)It shifts the burden of proof from guilt to innocence
(ii)It relys on the system being fail safe
I think the you have to consider the needs of the majority and not individual cases when dealing with national matters.
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you been down the station to volunteer your dna then pete? if it is such a great idea then lead by example.
then when the labour (well any government because they are all as bad as each other) govt sell the DNA database to insurance companies in 2 years time to cover their huge huge debts and you can't get life/health insurance because your genes are defective don't come crying to me.
then when the labour (well any government because they are all as bad as each other) govt sell the DNA database to insurance companies in 2 years time to cover their huge huge debts and you can't get life/health insurance because your genes are defective don't come crying to me.
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Even in the 'best case' scenario the insurance companies could use the raw (unnamed) data to calculate (as a percentage of the population) the actual amount of defective genes within the population and use that to increase premiums or even cease certain policy types.
All very dangerous!
All very dangerous!
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Even in the 'best case' scenario the insurance companies could use the raw (unnamed) data to calculate (as a percentage of the population) the actual amount of defective genes within the population and use that to increase premiums or even cease certain policy types.
All very dangerous!
All very dangerous!
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PS - A DNA styleee corner as well
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i have no criminal record and have "nothing to hide", but i disagree with a national dna database. this is my opinion and it would take a lot more than a "nothing to hide" argument to sway it.
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ah the old "if you have nothing to hide" bull****, yes something is bothering me, many of the fators already mentioned on this thread combined with the fact that I don't trust the (any) government to look after my best interests when they eventually force us all to provide samples.
i have no criminal record and have "nothing to hide", but i disagree with a national dna database. this is my opinion and it would take a lot more than a "nothing to hide" argument to sway it.
i have no criminal record and have "nothing to hide", but i disagree with a national dna database. this is my opinion and it would take a lot more than a "nothing to hide" argument to sway it.
Before this goes too far..I'm also against it, here's why.... we (in the UK) have the data protection act which looks after how all our personal data is stored and managed. My company have just issued new contracts and within that new contract is a clause whereby they can 'send' this data to a country where there are NO data protection laws.. and I can do **** all... apart from resign etc.
So whats to stop our government doing the same thing, oh yes and when its introduced they'll be new laws for its safe guarding... until its sent to China to be 'held' by a UK branch or government agency
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Your entire DNA sequence would probably be terrabytes of data.
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