No room in jails unless you're a motorist
24 September 2007, 01:13 PM
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No room in jails unless you're a motorist
Speedster To Be Sentenced Over 172mph Spin |Sky News|UK News
so burglars, muggers and all can walk free but drive your car too fast and go to jail. I should have done about 10 years by now then
so burglars, muggers and all can walk free but drive your car too fast and go to jail. I should have done about 10 years by now then
24 September 2007, 01:16 PM
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When child molesters can escape jail and speeder go to jail then you reallyhave to look at the whole judicial system and those who work on and within it.
There is something terribly wrong with a system that let's a man who abused children as young as 18 months old go free and then jails a speeding motorist who did not harm or injure anyone!
How can we be releasing drug dealers and robbers ealry to free up prison spaces that then get used like this - what a ******!
There is something terribly wrong with a system that let's a man who abused children as young as 18 months old go free and then jails a speeding motorist who did not harm or injure anyone!
How can we be releasing drug dealers and robbers ealry to free up prison spaces that then get used like this - what a ******!
24 September 2007, 02:22 PM
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It is illegal to drive at 172mph, and that is taking the p1ss.
In reality you know if you are caught at that speed you know they'll charge you with dangerous driving which can carry a custodial sentence. And he was a complete idiot by the sound of it as he drove past the police at that speed. To be honest I don't want someone that daft out on the road driving at those speeds!
Obviously there are lots of problems with our justice system, but I don't think this driver going down for those circumstances is bad.......
In reality you know if you are caught at that speed you know they'll charge you with dangerous driving which can carry a custodial sentence. And he was a complete idiot by the sound of it as he drove past the police at that speed. To be honest I don't want someone that daft out on the road driving at those speeds!
Obviously there are lots of problems with our justice system, but I don't think this driver going down for those circumstances is bad.......
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24 September 2007, 02:26 PM
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The bloke sounds a right tw*t, it wasn't even his car, I'm glad he went to jail, I agree that our justice system is screwed, but it doesn't mean that other people who deserve to go to prison shouldn't!
And he's banned for 3 years!
And he's banned for 3 years!
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24 September 2007, 02:40 PM
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I don't think that's actually true is it?
I think you should test it out, put your money where your mouth is so to speak. Go and mug someone, get yourself caught, and see if you end up in Prison.
To be fair, this is an extreme case - it was always going to end up with a jail term
24 September 2007, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ************** 
The issue isn't the fact he is a **** and deserves it, its the fact the justice system sees this crime of more of a risk to society than muggers, burglars and many other types of crime. That is wrong, very wrong.
You could use that argument for anyone who's sent to jail for anything less serious than mugging though, it makes no sense!
Just because some muggers have wrongly got off, doesn't mean we can't jail anyone else.
The issue isn't the fact he is a **** and deserves it, its the fact the justice system sees this crime of more of a risk to society than muggers, burglars and many other types of crime. That is wrong, very wrong.
You could use that argument for anyone who's sent to jail for anything less serious than mugging though, it makes no sense!
Just because some muggers have wrongly got off, doesn't mean we can't jail anyone else.
24 September 2007, 02:53 PM
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You're not following my point are you, its not that they got off, its the fact they got told that due to prisons being over crowded they didn't get given a stint inside. Its been in the press loads over the last couple of years, especially when a pensioner who refused to pay their council tax got a jail sentence when other more serious crimes had not been given jail sentences due to over crowded prisons.
24 September 2007, 02:59 PM
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I get the point, it's just that it's not at all logical!
You are saying that because muggers sometimes get away without going to prison, then people who commit less serious crimes shouldn't go to prison either.
Presumably shoplifting is less serious than mugging, so would you moan if a shoplifter was jailed?
You are saying that because muggers sometimes get away without going to prison, then people who commit less serious crimes shouldn't go to prison either.
Presumably shoplifting is less serious than mugging, so would you moan if a shoplifter was jailed?
24 September 2007, 03:00 PM
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And besides, it not a blanket "you will not go to jail" for your first offence. You have to plead guilty, have no previous convictions (for anythng) and have mitiating circumstances.
Also, you could argue, Burglary doesn't offer a real threat to public safety, in the same way as driving a car at 172mph does - His actions show complete disregard for the saftey of the public, and was sentenced accordingly.
24 September 2007, 03:08 PM
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Ah, but that's not mugging is it.
And besides, it not a blanket "you will not go to jail" for your first offence. You have to plead guilty, have no previous convictions (for anythng) and have mitiating circumstances.
Also, you could argue, Burglary doesn't offer a real threat to public safety, in the same way as driving a car at 172mph does - His actions show complete disregard for the saftey of the public, and was sentenced accordingly.
And besides, it not a blanket "you will not go to jail" for your first offence. You have to plead guilty, have no previous convictions (for anythng) and have mitiating circumstances.
Also, you could argue, Burglary doesn't offer a real threat to public safety, in the same way as driving a car at 172mph does - His actions show complete disregard for the saftey of the public, and was sentenced accordingly.
24 September 2007, 03:27 PM
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Can't see what the problem is, cars travel that fast everyday on our motorways, I myself have taken my car off the clock more times than I care to mention, wasn't 172mph but not far off it.
24 September 2007, 03:35 PM
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As for being uninsured, again, that's no risk to the public.
24 September 2007, 03:37 PM
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And this guy wasn't even on a motorway, he was on the A420 dual carriageway.
24 September 2007, 03:39 PM
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Ok the point I was trying to make is people will and do drive round in un-roadworthy cars which are potential death traps. If they're caught and the car is deemed as such then based on the premise of being a danger to the public they should be looking at a similar sentence?
24 September 2007, 03:59 PM
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Ok the point I was trying to make is people will and do drive round in un-roadworthy cars which are potential death traps. If they're caught and the car is deemed as such then based on the premise of being a danger to the public they should be looking at a similar sentence?
No, because this guy presented a far greater risk IMO. That's not to say uninsured drivers shouldn't be harshly dealt with. However, I think we should have a basic state third party car insurance system anyway.
24 September 2007, 05:22 PM
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I get the point, it's just that it's not at all logical!
You are saying that because muggers sometimes get away without going to prison, then people who commit less serious crimes shouldn't go to prison either.
Presumably shoplifting is less serious than mugging, so would you moan if a shoplifter was jailed?
You are saying that because muggers sometimes get away without going to prison, then people who commit less serious crimes shouldn't go to prison either.
Presumably shoplifting is less serious than mugging, so would you moan if a shoplifter was jailed?
no you are definately not getting the point Its the ones that get told you should go to prison but because of over crowding I can't give you a custodial sentence that are the joke. Only for the courts to then go and say to a speeding motorist well you were driving your car over the speed limit, we will find space for you in jail or to a pensioner you haven't paid your council tax so your going inside. The burglar or mugger should be going to prison in the first place not the pensioner.Read it slowly if you still don't get the point
24 September 2007, 07:27 PM
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The Autobahns are precision engineered to offer safe driving at those speeds.
I like this quote from "Safe Speed"
Our official position is that we are worried that current speed enforcement policy based on cameras is ineffective, but this case is the exception that proves the rule.
It is fortunate the police were there to take action before he ended up killing himself or someone else.
No excuse for this sort of speed really and I feel a jail sentence was fitting in this case. Glad he didn't opt for the footballers book of excuses and instead just admitted the offence and took what was coming
24 September 2007, 08:01 PM
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no you are definately not getting the point Its the ones that get told you should go to prison but because of over crowding I can't give you a custodial sentence that are the joke. Only for the courts to then go and say to a speeding motorist well you were driving your car over the speed limit, we will find space for you in jail or to a pensioner you haven't paid your council tax so your going inside. The burglar or mugger should be going to prison in the first place not the pensioner.Read it slowly if you still don't get the point
Your point would "hold more water" if it had been the same judge who had sent the motorist down, who had earlier decided not to send a mugger down. Remember the "law" is essentially a guide for the judges, who ultimately hand out the sentence, or not, as the case may be!
24 September 2007, 08:28 PM
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Does anyone really think that 170+ mph doesnt merit a prison sentence?....that is a grossly escessive speed, aggravated by the fact that the car was taken without the owners consent...........Its not the fact that he was driving a little bit over the limit, this was 100mph over the limit!!
Really dont think this merits the Daily Mail type hysteria.....
Really dont think this merits the Daily Mail type hysteria.....
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Does anyone really think that 170+ mph doesnt merit a prison sentence?....that is a grossly escessive speed, aggravated by the fact that the car was taken without the owners consent...........Its not the fact that he was driving a little bit over the limit, this was 100mph over the limit!!
Really dont think this merits the Daily Mail type hysteria.....
Really dont think this merits the Daily Mail type hysteria.....
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24 September 2007, 09:15 PM
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The guy treated the law with utter contempt and deserved his punishment.
Whether what he did was dangerous under the conditions or not is irrelevant. He overstepped the mark by too big a margin to get away with a lesser punishment.
Whether what he did was dangerous under the conditions or not is irrelevant. He overstepped the mark by too big a margin to get away with a lesser punishment.
24 September 2007, 09:25 PM
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From what I read in the raving lefty press, the guy was a tit of the first order. Constantly not allowed to take the car out after asking his boss several times, he returns when the boss is absent and takes it anyway. He then hits 172mph on an A-road, not a motorway, in a car he's not familiar with, while presumably showing off to the passenger. "A staggered crossroads, parking layby areas and a pedestrian access were among the hazards on the stretch of dual carriageway." It appears that this was in the daytime, not at 2am on a deserted stretch of road.
Possibly the irony (or mitigation) is this - "Police were attending to another motorist who had been doing 115mph on the same stretch of road when Brady was caught, the court heard."
He's a pratt and deserves as much as Paris Hilton
Possibly the irony (or mitigation) is this - "Police were attending to another motorist who had been doing 115mph on the same stretch of road when Brady was caught, the court heard."
He's a pratt and deserves as much as Paris Hilton