Oppose the banning of using cars over 10yo
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Oppose the banning of using cars over 10yo
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Classic-Cars/
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"Several EU proposals across the years are dangerous to the classic car movement. One that has been under consideration is to ban the use of cars older than 10 years. Similarly, Edinburgh City Council is considering the banning of cars over 15 years old from the town centre. These, and similar, proposals directly threaten the classic car movement, and encourage the manufacture of new cars, with the attendent environmental issues of sourcing raw materials, manufacturing, distriuting and scrapping the spiralling supply of new vehicles."
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"Several EU proposals across the years are dangerous to the classic car movement. One that has been under consideration is to ban the use of cars older than 10 years. Similarly, Edinburgh City Council is considering the banning of cars over 15 years old from the town centre. These, and similar, proposals directly threaten the classic car movement, and encourage the manufacture of new cars, with the attendent environmental issues of sourcing raw materials, manufacturing, distriuting and scrapping the spiralling supply of new vehicles."
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I can't see that ever coming to law.
What is the reason for a 10 year cut off? fuel efficiency? emmisions?
About a 3rd of the cars in my town would have to be scrapped, and who would bother to maintain a nine year old car?
Nope, it won't happen.
What is the reason for a 10 year cut off? fuel efficiency? emmisions?
About a 3rd of the cars in my town would have to be scrapped, and who would bother to maintain a nine year old car?
Nope, it won't happen.
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Not to mention the effect it'll have on the economy. Introduce such a rule and immediately:
- those who cannot afford a newer car, instantly find themselves unable to travel - and therefore, in many cases, unable to work;
- the value of every single car on the road plummets by an amount directly proportional to its age;
- the incentive to properly repair and maintain any vehicle more than, say, 7 years old disappears;
- manufacturers, meanwhile, suddenly feel enormous pressure to reduce costs. Demand shifts away from technically advanced, higher margin products towards the cheapest models, because nobody will pay a lot for a new car knowing the crushing depreciation they'll suffer. Result: disaster for the industry as well.
Nice one lads. Saving the planet, one tax at a time
- those who cannot afford a newer car, instantly find themselves unable to travel - and therefore, in many cases, unable to work;
- the value of every single car on the road plummets by an amount directly proportional to its age;
- the incentive to properly repair and maintain any vehicle more than, say, 7 years old disappears;
- manufacturers, meanwhile, suddenly feel enormous pressure to reduce costs. Demand shifts away from technically advanced, higher margin products towards the cheapest models, because nobody will pay a lot for a new car knowing the crushing depreciation they'll suffer. Result: disaster for the industry as well.
Nice one lads. Saving the planet, one tax at a time
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Any links to this becoming law available without me having to research it? Sounds preposterous to me
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Technically it isn't the case in Japan Bob, but practically it is because the cost of putting the Japanese equivalent of an MOT on anything older than 5 years is prohibitively expensive Doesn't stop them paying insane sums for '60s and '70s British sports cars though
I think us Brits have done wonders for resale values of their s/h cars though
BTW, If you've ever wondered what happens to all the lower grade stuff that doesn't get bought for shipping to Europe, just take a trip to Thailand or Malaysia
I think us Brits have done wonders for resale values of their s/h cars though
BTW, If you've ever wondered what happens to all the lower grade stuff that doesn't get bought for shipping to Europe, just take a trip to Thailand or Malaysia
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BTW, when I say that I own an '86 XR4x4, a '93 Legacy Turbo and a '78 Honda CB550K can you guess which side of this particular argument my opinion sits on
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If I was in power, I would get a list of every single one of the people who signed this petition, along with the one that signed the red arrows and the mega mosque petitions, and send them a leaflet telling them how not voting for me would lead to them contracting small pox. Since the people the sign these things are complete cretins - And there seems to be an awful lot of them. I would stay in power forever.
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The whole point of petitions in the past was that people only signed something that they felt very strongly about, now it's so easy for people just to sign everything online, that the danger is they will all just be ignored.
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I mean if I offered someone a Mortgage at 0%, they would quite rightly check out all the small print before signing thier name. But if I tell that same person that the Government is going to ban two white families living next door to each other to promote integration, then idiots will sign it in thier thousands.
And what's even more bizarre, is that these people are normally pretty intelligent.
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Every time there were considerably more people that didn't vote for them than did, as a result I'd say it was a pretty clear mandate that the British public don't want Labour in power, it's just our f***ed up voting system that let's them in.
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Fact remains that Labour have been democratically elected 3 times on the trot. If people were that bothered about how they were running the country, they would have been voted out.
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Well as i'm sure you are are aware as it has been pinted out a million times on scoobynet labour actually lost in England but thanks to the billions pumped oop north they clung on.
Down here in cornwall the people are shafted time and time again by these idiots in power.
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Do they want rid of cars over ten years old beacuse they dont fall into the nice and neat road tax based on emmsions rubbish that they use today.
Or because a lot (but not all) of cars over 10 years old are badly maintained ?
I'm more in favour of Japan idea where the MOT is more expensive and certain items have to be replaced to pass eg shock absorbers, brakes etc.
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Or because a lot (but not all) of cars over 10 years old are badly maintained ?
I'm more in favour of Japan idea where the MOT is more expensive and certain items have to be replaced to pass eg shock absorbers, brakes etc.
Richard
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Do they want rid of cars over ten years old beacuse they dont fall into the nice and neat road tax based on emmsions rubbish that they use today.
Or because a lot (but not all) of cars over 10 years old are badly maintained ?
I'm more in favour of Japan idea where the MOT is more expensive and certain items have to be replaced to pass eg shock absorbers, brakes etc.
Richard
Or because a lot (but not all) of cars over 10 years old are badly maintained ?
I'm more in favour of Japan idea where the MOT is more expensive and certain items have to be replaced to pass eg shock absorbers, brakes etc.
Richard
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I can see many reasons for taking old cars off the road, so in principle I agree with it. Safety designs, emissions tests, fuel efficiency, and simple mechanical fatigue. Also, and this is a big thing with politicians, it helps an economy if people keep buying new cars, keeps the car manufacturers in business. (Some may say that the spare parts makers go out of business - well, you tell me the employment / income / tax generation figures for each and let's decide).
However, there are plenty of exceptions for motorsport, classic cars, low mileage examples etc and these would need to be thought through. Off the top of my head I'd say a raised road tax sticker should be enough. Most people who own classic Ferraris or Mk 1 escorts could afford another few hundred quid a year for the privilege of owning them, whereas joe bloggs would hopefully say sod it, I might as well buy a newer car instead of running my Datsun Cherry.
However, there are plenty of exceptions for motorsport, classic cars, low mileage examples etc and these would need to be thought through. Off the top of my head I'd say a raised road tax sticker should be enough. Most people who own classic Ferraris or Mk 1 escorts could afford another few hundred quid a year for the privilege of owning them, whereas joe bloggs would hopefully say sod it, I might as well buy a newer car instead of running my Datsun Cherry.
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Isn't this already controlled here in the UK by having the MOT system? That's a way of ensuring old cars are maintained and roadworthy
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Hey, if people can't be bothered to go in and vote, then you get what you deserve. Voter apathy means that regardless of what system you use, more people are not going to vote for you than do.
Fact remains that Labour have been democratically elected 3 times on the trot. If people were that bothered about how they were running the country, they would have been voted out.
Fact remains that Labour have been democratically elected 3 times on the trot. If people were that bothered about how they were running the country, they would have been voted out.
I alwasy vote, but I imagine it would be difficult for most working folk. However, the unemployed have no problem voting the Labour shower in.
If they ever bring this 10 year thing in, it will just lead to Mad Max stylee - I'll just hide the 205 and bring it out at weekend uninsured etc.
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I can see many reasons for taking old cars off the road, so in principle I agree with it. Safety designs, emissions tests, fuel efficiency, and simple mechanical fatigue. Also, and this is a big thing with politicians, it helps an economy if people keep buying new cars, keeps the car manufacturers in business. (Some may say that the spare parts makers go out of business - well, you tell me the employment / income / tax generation figures for each and let's decide).
However, there are plenty of exceptions for motorsport, classic cars, low mileage examples etc and these would need to be thought through. Off the top of my head I'd say a raised road tax sticker should be enough. Most people who own classic Ferraris or Mk 1 escorts could afford another few hundred quid a year for the privilege of owning them, whereas joe bloggs would hopefully say sod it, I might as well buy a newer car instead of running my Datsun Cherry.
However, there are plenty of exceptions for motorsport, classic cars, low mileage examples etc and these would need to be thought through. Off the top of my head I'd say a raised road tax sticker should be enough. Most people who own classic Ferraris or Mk 1 escorts could afford another few hundred quid a year for the privilege of owning them, whereas joe bloggs would hopefully say sod it, I might as well buy a newer car instead of running my Datsun Cherry.
1. Safety etc - yes modern cars are safer, but should we not have the choice of being wrapped in cotton wool or not? Buses and wagons cause more injury probably, get rid of them.
2. Emissions - my 205 has no more than our 06 Civic, it has no fatigue as all major parts have been renewed.
3. Keeping my 16 year old car going is the ultimate in auto recycling, and better for the planet (for those folk that believe in global warming).
4. I've spent a fortune on my old car, but I wouldn't be willing to pay extra for road tax.
I would imagine parts sales are more than car sales - dont car makers lose on some models?
What they should do is have some sort of roadworthy test to tell if a car is safe or not, not just base it on age - oh wait, that'll be the MOT then