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Old 19 December 2007, 01:30 PM
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Old 19 December 2007, 01:33 PM
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Next weeks headline - "Girl earns £15k selling her 'story' to the News of the World"
Old 19 December 2007, 01:38 PM
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Why the surprise Pete?

The only difference between many footballers and your average thug is the £30k a week wage packet.
Old 19 December 2007, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Devildog
Why the surprise Pete?

The only difference between many footballers and your average thug is the £30k a week wage packet.
That old chesnut!

Im amazed its Johnny Evans. I though initial reports suggested Nani, but obviously not.

Johnny Evans has a reputation as a level headed well mannered young man, who came up through the ranks.

Has he been arrested for it?
Old 19 December 2007, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by King Eric
Has he been arrested for it?
Yes, as far as I can see, but not charged, yet.
Old 19 December 2007, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by King Eric
That old chesnut!

Im amazed its Johnny Evans. I though initial reports suggested Nani, but obviously not.

Johnny Evans has a reputation as a level headed well mannered young man, who came up through the ranks.

Has he been arrested for it?
LOL

Many old chesnuts are based on truth

If he's guilty, that pretty much knocks the "level headed young man" point on the head, doesn't it?

If he's not guilty of rape, then he's guilty of being stupid enough of getting himself into a situation that he shouldn't have. Its not like its never happened before, after all....
Old 19 December 2007, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Devildog
If he's guilty, that pretty much knocks the "level headed young man" point on the head, doesn't it?
We're about 6 months away at least from knowing that, though.
Old 19 December 2007, 02:02 PM
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She'll be some slag who loved the fact a footballer was talking to her. she'll have got spit roasted and now realises what a **** she's been but cant face telling her boyfriend so is crying rape. My lack of sympathy is down tot he fact it's happened numerous times before and nothing ever comes of it.
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STi is right, although Johnny Evans is probably the last United Player you would want to be lining up for an allegation of rape (if it was not true). At his stage, being that is is still on kids books and in digs he will only be on around 400 a week (despite what most would think!) and really he's no different in terms of salary/status than most of us on here on that money.

Its an odd one, hope its not true for the victims sake. The death penalty should exist for this offence still in this country imo
Old 19 December 2007, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by King Eric
That old chesnut!

Im amazed its Johnny Evans. I though initial reports suggested Nani, but obviously not.

Johnny Evans has a reputation as a level headed well mannered young man, who came up through the ranks.

Has he been arrested for it?
Not wanting to stir (especially as a utd fan) but that reputation isn't accurate. A friend of mine went out with him a couple of times this year, whilst he was still seeing his girlfriend. He's not exactly a gentleman when it comes to women.

On the other hand, he is a hugely exciting prospect for United so I hope that the claims are false.
Old 19 December 2007, 05:38 PM
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Premiership footballer, Xmas party, rape allegation.

How predictable. Without jumping to conclusions either way, you'd think Sir Alex would do something to chaperone his children as clearly they can't look after themselves

How sad is that?

Richard.
Old 19 December 2007, 08:24 PM
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well at least he scored while signed up at Man U (allegedly)
Old 19 December 2007, 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by STi wanna Subaru
My lack of sympathy is down tot he fact it's happened numerous times before and nothing ever comes of it.


Nothing comes of 92% of rape allegations: are you suggesting 92% of them are false?

Someone more cynical than myself might point out that football teams can afford far better lawyers than the CPS. And the fact that it only takes one person on a jury to think like you and any footballer can get away with rape.


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Old 19 December 2007, 09:44 PM
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Now if this was Liverpool we'd have all the dirty Scouse jokes.. I'm assuming if I make a Mank joke someone will Infract me...

Old 19 December 2007, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by _Meridian_
Nothing comes of 92% of rape allegations: are you suggesting 92% of them are false?

Someone more cynical than myself might point out that football teams can afford far better lawyers than the CPS. And the fact that it only takes one person on a jury to think like you and any footballer can get away with rape.


M

Excellent comment

Anyone who commits rape, should be castrated. It is a vile thing to happen and many do not get reported because of this belief, the woman is making it up. I think not. Ask any victim
Old 19 December 2007, 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 84of300
Ask any victim
But, in this case (along with many others) the 'victim' could be the man.
Old 19 December 2007, 10:26 PM
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Whether he's guilty or not his identity shouldn't of been revealed until he's been charged with an offence
Old 19 December 2007, 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by gpssti4
But, in this case (along with many others) the 'victim' could be the man.

Rape is Rape, your point is
Old 19 December 2007, 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by SteveScooby
Whether he's guilty or not his identity shouldn't of been revealed until he's been charged with an offence
Couldn't agree more. In fact why name hm before he has been convicted?? The accuser has anonymity.
If the victim is found to be making it up then he's going to be known as a rapist for the rest of his life. However, if he did do it, then cut his goolies off!
Old 19 December 2007, 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by 84of300
Rape is Rape, your point is

I think he meant victim as in falsely accused.
Old 19 December 2007, 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by SteveScooby
Whether he's guilty or not his identity shouldn't of been revealed until he's been charged with an offence

Aye, trial by media.

Not to mention our famously unbiased reporters. That being BBC TV's news report being delivered in a biased one-sided manner as well - i.e guilty!
Old 19 December 2007, 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by SteveScooby
I think he meant victim as in falsely accused.

I know what he meant. No offence Steve, but this is why so many women don't report this ghastly crime. It's always, oh no, he would not do that. Well some of the time, he did.
Not always, I grant you, but at the end of the day, you have to be a woman to understand true feelings on it.
Footballer or not, he has been accused,he is not a God, just a footballer. Does not give him the right to force.
IF he is innocent, all well and good, but chances are he is not and meridian hit the nail on the head with his comment
Old 19 December 2007, 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 84of300
I know what he meant. No offence Steve, but this is why so many women don't report this ghastly crime. It's always, oh no, he would not do that. Well some of the time, he did.
Not always, I grant you, but at the end of the day, you have to be a woman to understand true feelings on it.
Footballer or not, he has been accused,he is not a God, just a footballer. Does not give him the right to force.
IF he is innocent, all well and good, but chances are he is not and meridian hit the nail on the head with his comment

And some of the time it's made up by some lass who's cheated on her boyfriend and is feeling guilty about it.

Don't get me wrong, it's a despicable crime, but let's not judge him until he's been to court (if it gets that far)

Innocent until proven guilty
Old 19 December 2007, 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by SteveScooby
And some of the time it's made up by some lass who's cheated on her boyfriend and is feeling guilty about it.

Don't get me wrong, it's a despicable crime, but let's not judge him until he's been to court (if it gets that far)

Innocent until proven guilty
I agree, but when I see blase comments put up (not yourself btw) it makes my blood boil. Many rapes go unreported because of lack of support. Its just not on. And when people imply footballers are the be all and end all, well, say no more.

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Old 19 December 2007, 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by _Meridian_
Nothing comes of 92% of rape allegations: are you suggesting 92% of them are false?

Someone more cynical than myself might point out that football teams can afford far better lawyers than the CPS. And the fact that it only takes one person on a jury to think like you and any footballer can get away with rape.


M
There is a difference when a high profile person is involved be it footballer or actor. There is a lot bigger reason for a woman to cry rape for money or whatever in their sick minds. men can be just as much the victim as the women. In this case the lad may have done nothing wrong but will that mean he wont get pelters from every fan in the land almost even if totally exonerated?

The story doing the rounds is she was in the hotel with her bloke and left him to party with the United players. she returned some hours later and said she was raped....
Old 19 December 2007, 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by 84of300
IF he is innocent, all well and good, but chances are he is not
Typical, another judge/jury/executioner Why "chances are" ?? What evidence are you privy to, to make this comment?


If he's guilty, string him up. If she's lying, string her up. At the moment NO-ONE knows either way so just leave it to the powers that be to do their jobs.
Old 19 December 2007, 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 84of300
I know what he meant. No offence Steve, but this is why so many women don't report this ghastly crime. It's always, oh no, he would not do that. Well some of the time, he did.
Not always, I grant you, but at the end of the day, you have to be a woman to understand true feelings on it.
Footballer or not, he has been accused,he is not a God, just a footballer. Does not give him the right to force.
IF he is innocent, all well and good, but chances are he is not and meridian hit the nail on the head with his comment
You're worse than us! get a grip. What is all this crap about him thinking he's god because he plays football? Do you know him? You're putting general comments on to this bloke and making a judgement in the same way I've done admittedly. The difference is mine is from the stand point that he is innocent till proven guilty. You've pretty much already condemned the lad.

The law is a joke in that he is being dragged through the media and his reputation is in tatters no matter what without any proof as we know yet. If he's found guilty then throw the book at him but as the law stands a lot of men are victims as well.
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Originally Posted by Dracoro
Typical, another judge/jury/executioner Why "chances are" ?? What evidence are you privy to, to make this comment?


If he's guilty, string him up. If she's lying, string her up. At the moment NO-ONE knows either way so just leave it to the powers that be to do their jobs.
If she's making it up then nothing happens. We don't find out her name so we can avoid her in the future... it's a double standard.
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Originally Posted by 84of300
IF he is innocent, all well and good, but chances are he is not

That's very narrow minded: Shame on you

You Won't win: Your judging him as guilty, which could easily be the opposite.

50:50 probability at best

If you didn't know who it was, you could not judge that person. Unlike the media.

Fact is: It's an allegation

The accused has not been charged.

Make of that what you will.

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Originally Posted by Shark Man
You won't win: your judging him as guilty, which could easily be the opposite.

50:50 probability at best

If you didn't know who it was, you could not judge that person. Unlike the media.

Fact is: It's an allegation

The accused has not been charged.

Make of that what you will.
Please don't be sensible or rational in here thank you


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