The Zohan

following on from the first white flight thread


BBC NEWS | Politics | Smith admits London street fear

Questions
where do you live?
do you feel safe or not and why why not?
Have you been the victim of crime?
Has there been a change over say the last 10 or so years?

Not wanting to turn this into a BNP fanclub meet or have the PC brigade poo-pooing this thread as racist so just stick to the questions please.

SJ_Skyline

Looks like she's done a bit of a Gerald Ratner there!

Dumb cow

NACRO

The phrase 'white flight' is in itself racist in intent and in agenda.

SJ_Skyline

Sorry Paul, should have stuck to the questions:

where do you live?
- Outside London but I commute into the centre most weekdays.

do you feel safe or not and why why not?
- I feel safe but then I don't walk around looking like a victim. I do on the other hand think that the streets are not safe for some people.

Have you been the victim of crime?
- I pay my taxes to the Labour government so by default, yes I am a victim of crime.

Has there been a change over say the last 10 or so years?
- Of course there has. 10 years ago people were not kicked to death for asking a group of youths to move along.

GC8

Surely an intelligent man realises that the issue isnt quite so black & white?

NACRO

The issue isn't black n white but the phrase 'white flight' is loaded and in my opinion disingenuous regarding it's true agenda.

GC8

Perhaps: but the fact that the (increasingly) low quality press wants to whip-up a frenzy with emotive language, doesnt mean that these people are not leaving cities, for somewhere where they feel safer...

jods

It is, however, perfectly accurate in describing the situation.

Maz

iTrader: (34)

To be fair it's not exclusively 'white flight'. I wouldn't hesitate for a moment to flee a crime festooned area irrespective of the demographics. More affluent people will move to distance themselves from these ghettos.

The Zohan

I think that is very true, it maybe mostly white people (in a financial position to but not by any means exclusively whitie) and therefore referred to as white flight - anyone with half a brain understands what is meant by it

Anyway back on track, answer the questions or b*gger orf!

NACRO

It's emotional and racially charged language and anyone with even a single brain cell realises that.

If people want to have this sort of debate then leaving out this kind of loaded dogma will allow unbiased comment.

Maz

iTrader: (34)

Okay Paul here you go.

Location; North England near Leeds. Do I feel safe? In my local area yes I do but I am not in the habit of traipsing the streets at two in the morning half p!ssed. Have I been the victim of crime in the last ten years? No, although in 1997 I had a car stolen from outside work which was subsequently used in a violent armed robbery. The perpetrators were Caucasian though. Has there been a change in the last ten years? The demographics of our towns and cities are changing that is a fact, although I'd be lying if I said there was more crime now than before in my experience.

Snazy

Nacro, how about just addressing the actual issue, rather than being the one that reads WAY too far into things and makes an issue out of something that does not exist.

Personal feelings on the subject is that she should set a better example, and if she is portraying the streets to be safe due to Labour etc, then such things should not be happening.

I like the Ratner comparison

NACRO

The question is as important as the answer.

If I ask the question

"why are you a racist habgood?"

rather than

"are you a racist habgood?"

I would expect 2 different answers.

Before we can make informed comment we need an informed question.

Lisawrx

iTrader: (1)

I live near to Newcastle upon Tyne. Do I feel safe? Most of the time yes, although I'm rarely around either Newcastle or Gateshead late at night anymore, and if I do go out late near my home, I don't go out alone. Have I been a victim of crime? Yes, but not directly for a few years now. Has there been a change over the last 10 years? I think crime etc. has worsened in that time dispite whether figures agree or not. I also think people have become more fearful they may become victims of crime than they maybe did 10 years ago.

Snazy

I think the question is being somewhat twisted to create an arguement that is not being debated.
The actual issue is far more serious than a badly worded quotation. IMO anyway.

The subject for discussion seems a pretty clear one to me.

Snazy

SE London


Safe in general yes, but there are times that my over active mind gets the better of me

Yes, 2 break in's, various thefts from the car, and a personal attack when younger

There is a distinct change yes, but feel that things are on the up, not worsening. 5-8 years ago roughly was the worst time IMO for my area.

Still feel that police time is wasted far too much and the courts need to start imposing REAL sentancing.

ScoTTyB

"White Flight" is in use purely because of the implications of "black attack"

The Zohan

Hi Snazy, thanks for the reply to the questions.

I am sure Naco would love to send this thread off topic and maybe get it closed - whatever blows his skirt up i suppose

Nacro has just not cottoned onto two things - well i am sure that there are a lot more but really, WGAF.

1) I believe he is a troll and not worth spending any time on so do not feel the need to answer his questions.
2) He is in my ignore list along with some of his alias's so rarely see what he posts, even if i could i do not.

NACRO sends me the odd (well i would imagine they are odd) PM's from time to time, he really should not waste his time on them, and, you have probably guessed it- i do not read those either.




As the old addage goes, do not feed the trolls.

NACRO

What NACRO would love is to have a debate free of racially charged language such as 'white flight'. It's a shame habgood isn't able to have that debate but that's his choice which I of course respect. I'm far too polite to mention the private messages he feels the need to send me, perhaps that discretion is something he could learn from?
I will naturally comment and contribute as I feel necessary on topics posted here.

IMO the concept of 'white flight' is in itself flawed. Skin colour has nothing whatsoever to do with it. Money is the only enabler here. If you can afford it you don't live in a crap and dangerous place. That isn't a new issue. What we have here is another example of the media creating a panic for the purposes of selling more newspapers.

Perhaps the real debate should be 'why are certain areas becoming so dangerous to live in?'

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Or perhaps it ought to be why those certain areas are predominantly areas of high coloured population?

Anyways, to get back to the original post, who else thinks that Jacqui Smith will have MEANT something slightly different by early next week, been misquoted by the following week, and won't have said it at all by next month?

Lying Labour, eh?

jods

Hi Paul.

Please advise HOW to add someone to "Ignore List"

Cheers

dpb

Wishfull thinkin - who the f**ks going to touch her

Snazy

lol good question..... who you gonna ignore ?

Nacro, how about actually answering the ACTUAL question, THEN apply spin to it.
I honestly think your bored and just want to ruin another thread with a racial arguement.
The thread title mearly quotes a previous thread title.....

You're gonna go hungry now

Snazy

Oh and JODS...

Click on your user CP up the top.
Down the left side are options.

Look in Miscellaneous
There is a buddy/ignore option.

Slap "NACRO" in there, and voila. Crap filter is on

NACRO

Click on 'UserCp'

Scroll down to buddy/ignore list

add the name of the person you wish to ignore

A lot of people like to do this then unignore so they can read what the person they are hiding from said then they sit there fuming as they can't be seen to comment.

As a mature and balanced individual I prefer to take things on a post by post basis.

Snazy

Hiding, or cant be bothered wasting their time reading?

And ignore the initial sentiment of the post and start your own adjenda you mean?

*slaps himself, realising he is becoming a troll too! Sorry SN it ends here lol

NACRO

Let's keep this on topic if possible.

My point is that using racially charged terms (and sensationalist americanisms) like 'white flight' isn't in any way useful in examining the reasons why people are in flight. My 'adjenda' as you call it is in questioning whether this sort of moral panic is being fed by the media and people accepting terms like 'white flight'.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Mate, it's "agenda"

Why do YOU think it gets referred to as "white flight" then Nacro?

GC8

Ironically Alan*; your being offended and concerned by the possible racist overtones as opposed to the actual issue, rather sums up the state that our country is currently in.


* really; it doesnt matter!