kingofturds

iTrader: (1)

Interesting watching, and to think that enoch powell warned labour over 40 years ago that their multiculturalism experiment would lead to extremists using violence to get their way funny also as a racist one of his Asian friends is defending him

Seems to me like an inteeligent man discredited by the left.

Martin2005

Err no he was discredited from all sides not just the left.

Multiculturalism has nothing to do religious extremism, if you want proof of that go to Pakistan or any Muslim country. So conflating these 2 issue is a fairly poor way of making a point.

So Enoch Powel was utterly wrong in his predictions!

kingofturds

iTrader: (1)

You have obviously not watched the program so please stfu even the lib dems (watch now) THE LIB DEMS are saying how multi culturalism was not intended this way.

Lisawrx

iTrader: (1)

IMO, multiculturalism in itself is no problem, it is scum from any backround that is.

Martin2005

No I'm not watching the program, doesn't change the fact that he was wrong does it?

I'm becoming increasingly concerned about some of the aspects of multiculturalism, I just don't blame it for the extremism we have in our country and around the world.

I see a society becoming increasingly fragmented and intollerant, so you never know we might agree on something

kingofturds

iTrader: (1)

So by your God like opinion he is deemed wrong is he? and you see no link in muslims threatining to set themselves on fire and the government backing down in the 1960's and muslim threatining to blow themselves up to get our troops pulled out of IraqUr troops As although citizens they consider themselves muslim not British.

Although I doubt you work so no worries to you. dole day still pays without fail whoever has to pay

kingofturds

iTrader: (1)

You were watching the program 7 minutes after it finished flux capicitor still giving 1.23 jigawats?

Martin2005

I have no idea why you keep saying things like this, I'm fully taxed up member of society. Do you really think that having a view thats not based on fear and resentment means that I therefore must be benefiting in some way, that's a pretty sad inditement of your own state of mind fella.

Martin2005

Err no I said I wasn't watching it - you do say some strange things

Diesel

V interesting prog, and quite brave in current PC climate - expect nothing more from Richard Klein the EP at the Beeb.

Powell was a supremely intelligent man - wish I could hold a candle to him (but I'm much more practical). No racist in my view. Not always right, but should have been listened to more.

Did NL just limit immigration a bit last week

D

unclebuck

As current events clearly show, Enoch Powel was, and remains, a visionary on a par with George Orwell.

cster

If he was such a visionary, why did he act in such a way as to do so much damage to his own "cause".
Probably did more for the cause of multiculturalism than any other Briton dead or alive.
Perhaps he didn't see the big picture any better than your average man in the street as featured on said programme.
Can't say he is the sort of man I would follow.

kingofturds

iTrader: (1)

It's okay luckily Iraq, Iran Egypt etc have NOW embraced Multiculturalim
, we are now free to re impose our rights over there Oh hang on they called that imperialism and tried to kill us

kingofturds

iTrader: (1)

And the big picture is? I am sorry but all I can see is all our ex repressed colonies screaming out that they come have to come over here and respect our ethics, yet when we came over there offering them work and and to respect our way of living they tortured our men alive.

kingofturds

iTrader: (1)

Clearly mentally retarded or blagging benefits

cster

The big picture is the contents of paragraph two.
I liked the bit in the programme when the young white English guy at the job centre would prefer the dole to a job. Perhaps therein lies the problem. Low aspiration/education combined with whipped up fears?

The Zohan

Missed the programme but know of the speech. Enoch Powell did seem like a bright bloke but his ideas and ideals just too close to the second WW and the memories of those who fought and lost loved ones if you kn ow what i mean.

anyway UK 2008

Immigration, immigration, immigration was what BLair really meant and gutless Gordon is finally looking at the lock on the stable door and scratching his ugly head (if not bolting it) some 10 years too late.

Wo do not have much control over our borders ansd even if we did the european human rights act would just take over, we do not really govern oursleves over matters like this.

We have immigrants coming in to do do the jobs and fill the spaces we cannot, Total bollox, get the dole scroungers off their asses and into work or NO money for them. Yes tackle these scrouging scum but do not confuse the two issues, both are real problems.

We let in pretty much anybody with little or no checks on them and little or no chance of getting shot if they cause problems.

Intergration and the acceptance of or language, rules and values seems to be optional.

It may well be that in years to come there is real serious civil unrest from the british who see themselves as the second class and being stepped over and unfairly treated.

Problems have been allowed to fester under this government and maybe the last as well.

The PC lobby would have us believe that things are rosey and anyrthing else is racism as let's face it they play that card at the drop of a hat.

We have an estimated illegal population of some 750,000 probably more - WHY!


Eventually the working classes (by that i mean people who work for a living because that's how they pay for stuff and feed their families, etc. will have had enough of feeling like second class citizens and that they are discriminated agianst and are sick of paying for everybody else.


Thats when there will be real, serious trouble in this country and i wonder just how far off this really is.

Leslie

If you had watched the programme then you might have been more qualified to give an accurate comment instead of jumping in with both feet.

It was an interesting programme and it did underline the fact that he was indeed a farseeing man and he told it like it was. Nothing wrong with that, he gave his honest opinions and time has shown them to be largely correct as far as unfettered immigration is concerned and its effect on our economy and society.

Have you actually noticed how things are shaping in this country at the moment?

Les

The Zohan

I wish i had seen the whole programme, hope it is re-run soon.

Your sign off line about how thngs are shaping up is an interesting one and a good point. More and more people are talking about immigration/intergration, and the associated problems of it being so badly managed and handled and the problems this has caused.

Not just the far right or racists normal people who are seeing how the problems are affecting them and theirs

Diesel

It may be here BBC iPlayer - Home (havent checked). D

gaz-cole

i watched the program last night, and i live approx 1 mile from where Enoch lived in merridale Wolverhampton according to my mother it was a hot spot then for the new comers to come to, and its almost a no go zone now, so Enoch could at least speak first hand of his experiences.

rob878

It is on there Diesel, just about to watch it myself.

The Zohan

Damn new fangled technology, next you wil be able to select and order your shopping on line and it be delivered to your door

Thanks Chap

apparently BBC iPlayer - Rivers of Blood marks the spot, will download and watch whilst polishing my iron cross and **** emblem collection

BTW mother in law babysat last night, she missed the programme due to the kids playing up. She is a Labour supporter or at least has been all her life, she wil now not vote NL due to the **** poor job they have done, she commented this morning that the local paper ran a survey about europe and 92% of those who voted wanted to pull out of europe, when asked why all stated that it was due to our immirgration policy and our open border policy!

gsm1

The nick of the OP says it all.

The Zohan

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please expand on this

dpb

Total racist who did nothing for the countrys cause

How anyone could possibly link him to some kind of muslim backlash 20 years down the line is beyond me

He wouldnt raise an eyelid at polish immigration

rob878

Then perhaps an increase in your imagination and studying of the speech would allow you to be able to have a wider appreciation of the subject.

How would you know that he would raise an eye brow at the current growth of Polish immigration? Know him personally did you or are you a scholar of his inner thoughts??

I for one am not a scholar on either however after a bit of research, yes it is possible to draw the parallels between his speech and the current political climate. His choice of language was both inflammatory and possibly chosen to illicit a response to polarise opinions. What ever the case maybe, it did polarise opinion at the time and still does now.

Diesel

You clearly lack his vision! Dig a bit deeper mate and you may change your view - Wickipedia is a quick source.

If he was a racist I'd condemn him like all similar small minded bigots. This guy had a much bigger mind and was concerned about the bigger picture, not what colour/shape your nose is!

D

MooseRacer

It was an interesting program, and quite uncanny how so much of it has come true. Racist or not he was certainly right about a lot of things.

CristianH

You're right, i doubt he would bat an eyelid at the mass polish immigration...as they dont have TOTALLY different beliefs, religions, values, traditions etc etc to people who already live here.

What i got from last nights tv program on bb2, was that Powell was afraid that it wasnt the clash of skin colour that was cause 'rivers of blood', it was a clash of all the different values of different people i.e. that 'mulitculturism' has actually brought about.

The program itself, from nearly all those featured, said 'multiculturism' had failed, and had infact brought about 'segregation' (the programs words, not mine) in this country between ethnic groups.

I agree with this