Labour memories
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Labour memories
I'm sure something good was done by them but so far the only things that stick in my mind are
1.Banning Foxhunts
2.Talking about plastic bags at a budget
3.Lagging my loft
4.Insulating my walls
5.Getting themselves a new bank.
6.Getting rid of pubs and increasing drunkenness at the same time
Did I miss anything special they did? (3&4 made my laugh at the radio this morning as did Hilary Benn struggling to be serious about it)
1.Banning Foxhunts
2.Talking about plastic bags at a budget
3.Lagging my loft
4.Insulating my walls
5.Getting themselves a new bank.
6.Getting rid of pubs and increasing drunkenness at the same time
Did I miss anything special they did? (3&4 made my laugh at the radio this morning as did Hilary Benn struggling to be serious about it)
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1. Increased spending in public services
2. reduced overall waiting times for NHS appointments
3. lowest sustained inflation for 40 years (regardless of which measure you use)
4. Lowest crime levels on record.
5. Highest level of employment ever.
6. 85,000 more nurses and 32,000 more doctors (since 1997)
7. Introduced paternity leave
8. Introduced minimum wage
9. Banned fox hunting
10. Scrapped section 28 and introduced civil partnerships.
Probably lots i have missed
2. reduced overall waiting times for NHS appointments
3. lowest sustained inflation for 40 years (regardless of which measure you use)
4. Lowest crime levels on record.
5. Highest level of employment ever.
6. 85,000 more nurses and 32,000 more doctors (since 1997)
7. Introduced paternity leave
8. Introduced minimum wage
9. Banned fox hunting
10. Scrapped section 28 and introduced civil partnerships.
Probably lots i have missed
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1. Increased spending in public services
2. reduced overall waiting times for NHS appointments
3. lowest sustained inflation for 40 years (regardless of which measure you use)
4. Lowest crime levels on record.
5. Highest level of employment ever.
6. 85,000 more nurses and 32,000 more doctors (since 1997)
7. Introduced paternity leave
8. Introduced minimum wage
9. Banned fox hunting
10. Scrapped section 28 and introduced civil partnerships.
Probably lots i have missed
2. reduced overall waiting times for NHS appointments
3. lowest sustained inflation for 40 years (regardless of which measure you use)
4. Lowest crime levels on record.
5. Highest level of employment ever.
6. 85,000 more nurses and 32,000 more doctors (since 1997)
7. Introduced paternity leave
8. Introduced minimum wage
9. Banned fox hunting
10. Scrapped section 28 and introduced civil partnerships.
Probably lots i have missed
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Look, this thread is basically going to a Labour moan-a-thon. So I thought I would give a bit of the other view early on.
Just like any other Government that has spent an extended period in power; they have gotten plenty wrong, but have done some good.
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And the best bit those on less than 40,338 will receive 60.00 in this months wages + 10 per moth extra for the folloing six month. Now i bet many of those on 30-40k really need that money in the same way those on 12-20k do - good, joined up thinking by an experienced seasoned team imho
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My favourite memory was of the fuel blockade and seeing Blair's face when the public who elected him had the audacity to stand up and defy him! Priceless.
When did the British public become so spineless?
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When did the British public become so spineless?
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Nah.Labour Daft- a -thon
I'm just finding it very hard to listen to the stuff about fuel poverty with alleged political heavyweights on serious radio shows saying
"Phone 0800-08000800000 and see what YOU could save today"
They are reminding me of the nutter who does the double glazing adverts.
(and what the heck is fuel poverty about after we have all been promoted to riches beyond our wildest dreams.Surely we can afford the gas bill )
Even Help the Aged have just told the Government to go take a hike
I'm just finding it very hard to listen to the stuff about fuel poverty with alleged political heavyweights on serious radio shows saying
"Phone 0800-08000800000 and see what YOU could save today"
They are reminding me of the nutter who does the double glazing adverts.
(and what the heck is fuel poverty about after we have all been promoted to riches beyond our wildest dreams.Surely we can afford the gas bill )
Even Help the Aged have just told the Government to go take a hike
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Although yet to manifest itself. Its not what gets spent thats important, its how efficiently the money is used.
By imposing targets that mean you don't often get enough time with your doctor to enable proper diagnosis of the problem
Yet strangely your weekly shopping is up to 20% more expensive than this time last year....
Yet knife crime is massively worse. And of course, many "minor" crimes no longer form part of those stats
That's what happens when you re-categorise what constitues "unemployed"
I'll give you those
Yes -
how about the highest level of consumer credit and personal bankruptcies since records began.
How about not giving our troops proper equipment to fight a war they shouldn't arguably have been fighting in the first instance
How about record levels of secondary infections in hospitals that simply are not clean..
The list goes on.
And on
And on
2. reduced overall waiting times for NHS appointments
3. lowest sustained inflation for 40 years (regardless of which measure you use)
4. Lowest crime levels on record.
5. Highest level of employment ever.
6. 85,000 more nurses and 32,000 more doctors (since 1997}
7. Introduced paternity leave
8. Introduced minimum wage
9. Banned fox hunting
10. Scrapped section 28 and introduced civil partnerships.
7. Introduced paternity leave
8. Introduced minimum wage
9. Banned fox hunting
10. Scrapped section 28 and introduced civil partnerships.
Probably lots i have missed
how about the highest level of consumer credit and personal bankruptcies since records began.
How about not giving our troops proper equipment to fight a war they shouldn't arguably have been fighting in the first instance
How about record levels of secondary infections in hospitals that simply are not clean..
The list goes on.
And on
And on
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Although yet to manifest itself. Its not what gets spent thats important, its how efficiently the money is used.
By imposing targets that mean you don't often get enough time with your doctor to enable proper diagnosis of the problem
Yet strangely your weekly shopping is up to 20% more expensive than this time last year....
Yet knife crime is massively worse. And of course, many "minor" crimes no longer form part of those stats
That's what happens when you re-categorise what constitues "unemployed"
I'll give you those
Yes -
how about the highest level of consumer credit and personal bankruptcies since records began.
How about not giving our troops proper equipment to fight a war they shouldn't arguably have been fighting in the first instance
How about record levels of secondary infections in hospitals that simply are not clean..
The list goes on.
And on
And on
By imposing targets that mean you don't often get enough time with your doctor to enable proper diagnosis of the problem
Yet strangely your weekly shopping is up to 20% more expensive than this time last year....
Yet knife crime is massively worse. And of course, many "minor" crimes no longer form part of those stats
That's what happens when you re-categorise what constitues "unemployed"
I'll give you those
Yes -
how about the highest level of consumer credit and personal bankruptcies since records began.
How about not giving our troops proper equipment to fight a war they shouldn't arguably have been fighting in the first instance
How about record levels of secondary infections in hospitals that simply are not clean..
The list goes on.
And on
And on
Many of the "achievements" of the Labour government are actually artifacts of spin, reclassification and statistical manipulation! The reality of modern Britain, as we all know, is one of massive debt, problems with youth culture, severe problems with social integration of a diverse populations, hideous inefficiency in the public services, treatment of the armed forces that verges on the insulting, the creation of endless think tanks consisting of unelected individuals with too much time and not enough brain syndrome, and so on and so on.
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I'm surprised that support (so far) for the minimum wage is so consistent. What about those people who find themselves with no job at all because their employer now has to put work overseas to remain competitive? Is that actually good for them, their (former) employer, or the country as a whole?
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Although yet to manifest itself. Its not what gets spent thats important, its how efficiently the money is used.
By imposing targets that mean you don't often get enough time with your doctor to enable proper diagnosis of the problem
Yet strangely your weekly shopping is up to 20% more expensive than this time last year....
Yet knife crime is massively worse. And of course, many "minor" crimes no longer form part of those stats
That's what happens when you re-categorise what constitues "unemployed"
I'll give you those
Yes -
how about the highest level of consumer credit and personal bankruptcies since records began.
How about not giving our troops proper equipment to fight a war they shouldn't arguably have been fighting in the first instance
How about record levels of secondary infections in hospitals that simply are not clean..
The list goes on.
And on
And on
By imposing targets that mean you don't often get enough time with your doctor to enable proper diagnosis of the problem
Yet strangely your weekly shopping is up to 20% more expensive than this time last year....
Yet knife crime is massively worse. And of course, many "minor" crimes no longer form part of those stats
That's what happens when you re-categorise what constitues "unemployed"
I'll give you those
Yes -
how about the highest level of consumer credit and personal bankruptcies since records began.
How about not giving our troops proper equipment to fight a war they shouldn't arguably have been fighting in the first instance
How about record levels of secondary infections in hospitals that simply are not clean..
The list goes on.
And on
And on
Nicely put - you ae wrong of course and i am sure that PB will be along to point out the error of your ways
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Thankyou!
how about the highest level of consumer credit and personal bankruptcies since records began.
How about not giving our troops proper equipment to fight a war they shouldn't arguably have been fighting in the first instance
How about record levels of secondary infections in hospitals that simply are not clean..
How about not giving our troops proper equipment to fight a war they shouldn't arguably have been fighting in the first instance
How about record levels of secondary infections in hospitals that simply are not clean..
Add to that the spin, the 42 days disgrace, cash for honours and so on.
I'm just not blinkered to the good as some people are (not that you are).
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Some usefuls things ( for the poor ) were implemented earlier on when there was some cash in the kitty - mainly from the last lot
but teh last few years has just been some plainly desperate half-minded dithering - more or less stabbing in the dark
but teh last few years has just been some plainly desperate half-minded dithering - more or less stabbing in the dark
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PB... has the national debt increased or decreased under labour (in real terms, not as a percentage of GDP)??
has the standard of living increased?
has the standard of living increased?
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Living standards are much higher, borrowing is up at nearly the levels of the last conservative government!
Before we launch into the usual 'let's hammer the government for everything', let's all at least agree that 12 years of uninterupted economic growth is pretty exceptional for our economy (given historical performance)
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from what the Centre of Policy Studies says, the National Debt is 1340 billion...... we should have a soddin higher standard of living.... lol
GDP is 1294 billion dollars.... so in effect, UK government (and UK) is broke.
GDP is 1294 billion dollars.... so in effect, UK government (and UK) is broke.
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As the years go by, things cost more, the Dole will obviously pay out more in 2008 than it did in 1990, simply because £30 won't last you 5 minutes now.
The cost of a given operation will cost more now, because the equipment will be more expensive, the surgeons wages will be higher
Government borrowing has to be linked to GDP otherwise you have no frame reference.
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Ok... then see above post hahaha
At the end of December 2007 general government debt was £618.8 billion, equivalent to 43.8 per cent of GDP. This was reported to the EC.
However this did not include cost of public sector pensions liabilities, the hidden costs of Labour's flagship Private Finance Initiative contracts and debts incurred by Network Rail.
added in... the national debt is 103.5%
At the end of December 2007 general government debt was £618.8 billion, equivalent to 43.8 per cent of GDP. This was reported to the EC.
However this did not include cost of public sector pensions liabilities, the hidden costs of Labour's flagship Private Finance Initiative contracts and debts incurred by Network Rail.
added in... the national debt is 103.5%
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I think you are misunderstanding things a bit here.
You are mixing perdonal debt with government borrowing and mixing in a different GDP figure.
UK Tax take is aroun £600 billion
UK GDP is aroun £1,200 billion
UK government borrowing is around £40billion.
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So does that make it OK
How many illegal wars did we fight under the Conservatives, remind me?
And for another negative, the sodding Barnet formula that allows the sweatys to have free student grants, free bridge tolls, free prescriptions, (coming soon), and better care, free, for the old............all at ENGLAND's EXPENSE!!!
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