Hijacked oil tanker
17 November 2008, 10:20 PM
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Hijacked oil tanker
Do you reckon there'll be a rescue attempt on this oil tanker by the special forces?
Just heard on the news the port the hijackers are making to has a dozen other hijacked ships. Maybe they should make an example of these guys as pirates seem to be getting out of hand.
Somali pirates hijack Saudi oil tanker with Britons on board - Times Online
Just heard on the news the port the hijackers are making to has a dozen other hijacked ships. Maybe they should make an example of these guys as pirates seem to be getting out of hand.
Somali pirates hijack Saudi oil tanker with Britons on board - Times Online
17 November 2008, 10:32 PM
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I posted about this before with a not so funny thread title.
https://www.scoobynet.com/non-scooby...e-we-come.html
imo they have to try take control over this, I am surprised the yanks haven't gone totally ape **** and torpedoed the thing
https://www.scoobynet.com/non-scooby...e-we-come.html
imo they have to try take control over this, I am surprised the yanks haven't gone totally ape **** and torpedoed the thing
17 November 2008, 10:33 PM
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Wow! Sounds serious. Cannot believe that the navies will let it go.
What would they do with crude though, surely useless to them on a practical level, unlike the tanks and weapons off the other ship (which incidentally the RN was supposed to be going after was it not?)
Amazing how Russell Brand and Jonathan Ross can knock this more newsworthy piece off the headlines until now.
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What would they do with crude though, surely useless to them on a practical level, unlike the tanks and weapons off the other ship (which incidentally the RN was supposed to be going after was it not?)
Amazing how Russell Brand and Jonathan Ross can knock this more newsworthy piece off the headlines until now.
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17 November 2008, 10:35 PM
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There's 2 Brits on board - Apparently there's a Royal Navy Vessel in the area. Let's hope they don't stand for it and act !!
I didn't realise there were any Somalis left in Africa tho .. Most of them live in B'ham these days..
I didn't realise there were any Somalis left in Africa tho .. Most of them live in B'ham these days..
17 November 2008, 11:05 PM
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inthe last three months two french ships were captured. In both cases within three days the ships were recovered, no hostages were killed and pirates were either dead or captured and in a french gaol 
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17 November 2008, 11:30 PM
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2 million barrels of oil would be one huge catastrophic ecological disaster if the pirates decided to blow the ship if their demands are not met. They have a fair whack of bargaining power with that threat.
Special forces haven't been used yet, not by the British/US, to rescue other pirated vessels. Many rumours surround the French rescues including them paying the ransoms so wouldn't go as far to say the French have taken a strong stance with the pirates and their ships/crew.
Special forces haven't been used yet, not by the British/US, to rescue other pirated vessels. Many rumours surround the French rescues including them paying the ransoms so wouldn't go as far to say the French have taken a strong stance with the pirates and their ships/crew.
18 November 2008, 02:36 AM
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Seriously... This particular ship was taken over 400 miles out. It's getting to the point where nothing is safe within the region.
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18 November 2008, 02:58 AM
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Wow! Sounds serious. Cannot believe that the navies will let it go.
What would they do with crude though, surely useless to them on a practical level, unlike the tanks and weapons off the other ship (which incidentally the RN was supposed to be going after was it not?)
What would they do with crude though, surely useless to them on a practical level, unlike the tanks and weapons off the other ship (which incidentally the RN was supposed to be going after was it not?)
Now that media have their teeth in i wonder what the outcome will be.
18 November 2008, 03:11 AM
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Only practical option imho is to put a small team of professionals on some or all of the ships passing through. Sounds expensive but it's only a few days through the gate and it's pretty cheap compared to multimillion ransoms or losing a couple of million barrels of crude.
The sailors themselves are less than keen to be armed, understandably. It's like arming a busdriver, they'd be cannon fodder against well equipped and trained pirates.
Failling that, the RN need to steam into this ****hole where they're all hanging out now and level it
Just my 2p
The sailors themselves are less than keen to be armed, understandably. It's like arming a busdriver, they'd be cannon fodder against well equipped and trained pirates.
Failling that, the RN need to steam into this ****hole where they're all hanging out now and level it
Just my 2p
18 November 2008, 06:33 AM
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there no way the ships owners would want their name linked to an ecological disaster if some fool blows a hole in the side of the thing.
there'll be a ransom paid on the quiet, something else will fill the papers and the price of a barrel of oil will go up because there'll be some old crap about production problems.
all IMHO of course
there'll be a ransom paid on the quiet, something else will fill the papers and the price of a barrel of oil will go up because there'll be some old crap about production problems.
all IMHO of course
18 November 2008, 08:02 AM
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Apparently the "standard" procedure is for a substantial ransom sum to be agreed - could be many millions in this case - and a security firm is then used to take the money, in cash, to the pirates, leave it with them and trust them to disappear leaving the hostages on board. A few weeks later there are some nice new houses on the Somali coastline.
I'd have thought this would be a light training exercise for an SAS type force?
At the very least couldn't the ship's owners employ a couple of dozen peeps with good eyesight to keep an eye out for any dodgy looking dhows or peeps clambering up the sides?
Nice work if you can get it
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I'd have thought this would be a light training exercise for an SAS type force?
At the very least couldn't the ship's owners employ a couple of dozen peeps with good eyesight to keep an eye out for any dodgy looking dhows or peeps clambering up the sides?
Nice work if you can get it
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18 November 2008, 09:51 AM
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18 November 2008, 10:01 AM
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i should imagine this will be dealt with in a very robust manner.
This ship is saudi owned and was destined for the us. Both of them will be very interested in getting back whats theirs as well as sending a very clear message about what will happen to the next lot that tries this sort of thing.
I imagine special forces are in theatre already.
Astraboy.
This ship is saudi owned and was destined for the us. Both of them will be very interested in getting back whats theirs as well as sending a very clear message about what will happen to the next lot that tries this sort of thing.
I imagine special forces are in theatre already.
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18 November 2008, 10:16 AM
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i should imagine this will be dealt with in a very robust manner.
This ship is saudi owned and was destined for the us. Both of them will be very interested in getting back whats theirs as well as sending a very clear message about what will happen to the next lot that tries this sort of thing.
I imagine special forces are in theatre already.
Astraboy.
This ship is saudi owned and was destined for the us. Both of them will be very interested in getting back whats theirs as well as sending a very clear message about what will happen to the next lot that tries this sort of thing.
I imagine special forces are in theatre already.
Astraboy.
Somali Pirates' Tanker Negotiating: Sirius Star Seized Off Kenya Coast, US Navy Calls For Protection | World News | Sky News
The International Maritime Bureau has reported that 63 ships have been attacked off Somalia in the three months leading up to the end of September, of which 26 were hijacked with 537 crew members taken hostage.
Of those, 12 vessels and 243 people were still in the hands of pirates.
Of those, 12 vessels and 243 people were still in the hands of pirates.
That is a lot of people over a substantial time being held. There are good reasons why they don't just go in and rescue them because if it was that easy they'd have done it by now for the others.
18 November 2008, 01:31 PM
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18 November 2008, 01:39 PM
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It looks like you aren't allowed to shoot pirates any more:
BBC NEWS | World | Africa | Rules frustrate anti-piracy efforts
BBC NEWS | World | Africa | Rules frustrate anti-piracy efforts
18 November 2008, 01:44 PM
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To fight a war by limited means invites defeat.
"There has also been a legal opinion by the British Foreign Office that captured pirates cannot necessarily be sent back to whatever authorities can be found in Somalia, in case they are subject to harsh treatment. That would contravene the British Human Rights Act."
What a fvcking joke this place has become.
"There has also been a legal opinion by the British Foreign Office that captured pirates cannot necessarily be sent back to whatever authorities can be found in Somalia, in case they are subject to harsh treatment. That would contravene the British Human Rights Act."
What a fvcking joke this place has become.
18 November 2008, 01:47 PM
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The pirates could have approached the ship at night.
Even if they did spot them, by the time they realised what was happening, it would have been too late. You can hardly outrun speedboats in an oil tanker. Calling for help would also be useless as it's unlikely any military vessel could have got there quickly enough.
The only solution to prevent this happening again, is to have a heavily armed miltary escort.
Even if they did spot them, by the time they realised what was happening, it would have been too late. You can hardly outrun speedboats in an oil tanker. Calling for help would also be useless as it's unlikely any military vessel could have got there quickly enough.
The only solution to prevent this happening again, is to have a heavily armed miltary escort.
18 November 2008, 01:48 PM
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They were 500 miles off the coast so weren't using speed boats. Some use fishing boats as the pirates are made up of a mixture fisherman with local knowledge of the seas and provide boats with good fuel range, militants who provide the firepower and techies who provide the satellite phones/gps and computer systems used to find and track their targets.
These guys are not some lightly armed bunch on nobodies but highly armed and well equipped criminals with a lot of wealth from years of piracy. They have huge houses along the coast near Eyl with flash restaurants etc all set up for the pirate/criminal fraternity. Allegedly there is even a restaurant set up specifically for taking the hostages to eat Sounds quite a thriving economy and who says crime doesn't pay, especially as the pirates can not be fired on if they don't shoot first.
These guys are not some lightly armed bunch on nobodies but highly armed and well equipped criminals with a lot of wealth from years of piracy. They have huge houses along the coast near Eyl with flash restaurants etc all set up for the pirate/criminal fraternity. Allegedly there is even a restaurant set up specifically for taking the hostages to eat
Sounds quite a thriving economy and who says crime doesn't pay, especially as the pirates can not be fired on if they don't shoot first.
18 November 2008, 02:05 PM
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A family friend was in the SBS. Three tours (Im sure that its all very different now, but that was it them: three tours and then RTUd, when most men left): two active and one diplomatic protection. Even as an OAP I think that he would be more than a match for ten third world pirates... 