Aircraft enthusiasts, your opinions please!
20 November 2008, 09:52 AM
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They do look like F111's in the pic. (I worked on them for a number of years)
However I do not believe the Aurora exists as an in service aircraft. The aircraft in the picture is more likely to be a development aircraft of some sort.
I just don't believe the USA government is capable of keeping a secret like this for nearly 20 years. Not with the thousands of Aircraft enthusiasts camped outside every USAF base looking for this type of thing.
The biggest problem with any conspiracy theory is the lack of Governments and people keeping secrets.
I could be wrong though
However I do not believe the Aurora exists as an in service aircraft. The aircraft in the picture is more likely to be a development aircraft of some sort.
I just don't believe the USA government is capable of keeping a secret like this for nearly 20 years. Not with the thousands of Aircraft enthusiasts camped outside every USAF base looking for this type of thing.
The biggest problem with any conspiracy theory is the lack of Governments and people keeping secrets.
I could be wrong though
20 November 2008, 10:02 AM
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If that photo is real and some how I don't think so, its 1 honking big plane!!! Look at teh size of it compaired to the tanker and the F111's.
Does something like this exist, I believe so, did it exist then, I don't think so as others have suggested that would have meant an offical secret from the USA for 20 odd years. Even the stealth aircraft were rumbled after a few years and now paraded round the world.
Does something like this exist, I believe so, did it exist then, I don't think so as others have suggested that would have meant an offical secret from the USA for 20 odd years. Even the stealth aircraft were rumbled after a few years and now paraded round the world.
20 November 2008, 10:54 AM
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I wish that was true, but with all the people that have spent years observing the area (as close as they can) 24hrs a day 7 days a week. They would see aircraft, but no nothing.
Arthur C Clarke when asked if intelligent aliens existed stated yes I believe they do. When asked if the USA had proof, said no a secret of that magnetude could not be kept.
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20 November 2008, 11:55 AM
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I wish that was true, but with all the people that have spent years observing the area (as close as they can) 24hrs a day 7 days a week. They would see aircraft, but no nothing.
Arthur C Clarke when asked if intelligent aliens existed stated yes I believe they do. When asked if the USA had proof, said no a secret of that magnetude could not be kept.
Arthur C Clarke when asked if intelligent aliens existed stated yes I believe they do. When asked if the USA had proof, said no a secret of that magnetude could not be kept.
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20 November 2008, 11:59 AM
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I've been about as close to '51 as you would want to, without risking being shot...saw **** all! 
We spoke to a local who claims to have been in the downdraught of a completely silent helicopter
We spoke to a local who claims to have been in the downdraught of a completely silent helicopter
20 November 2008, 12:03 PM
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The local we spoke to is the son of a guy who worked there all his working life. He says the helicopter thing was incredible and he has no explanation for it.
20 November 2008, 12:16 PM
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Of course it doesnt exist, if it were we would be seeing documentaries on Sky every half hour, have you ever know Americans to be able to keep quiet about something good they have done, they are good at making stuff up, creating conspiracy theroies about bad stuff but anything clever they go on and on about.
20 November 2008, 12:36 PM
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20 November 2008, 12:46 PM
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yeah i know, this has been exposed as a fake, but its a fake based on an eyewitness account. He claims to have seen a large highly swept delta in formation with a pair of aardvarks while being refuelled by an extender.
On the subject of keeping secrets, just remember they kept the F117 under wraps for the best part of a decade, so anythings possible!
Astraboy.
On the subject of keeping secrets, just remember they kept the F117 under wraps for the best part of a decade, so anythings possible!
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20 November 2008, 01:02 PM
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yeah i know, this has been exposed as a fake, but its a fake based on an eyewitness account. He claims to have seen a large highly swept delta in formation with a pair of aardvarks while being refuelled by an extender.
On the subject of keeping secrets, just remember they kept the F117 under wraps for the best part of a decade, so anythings possible!
Astraboy.
On the subject of keeping secrets, just remember they kept the F117 under wraps for the best part of a decade, so anythings possible!
Astraboy.
The whole CIA/Roswell/Area 51 thing gets on my ****, Its just Americans trying to whip up a bit of mystique, they dont have any history so they have to create this aura of clandestine stuff and conspiracy theories.
20 November 2008, 01:04 PM
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I think the aero nuts are a lot more sophisticated than they were when the Blackbird and Nighthawk were being developed and tested. Low/Night vision goggles, radar, radio scanners (ok, not much use unless you're an uber hacker, as the coms would be encrypted) would I suspect be the norm.
Though I'm not sure what the exclusion zone around places like A51, so a radar unit might not have enough range to pick things up.
Can the Air Force keep the development of a new aircraft secret in today's world? I think it's possible, even with the watchers keeping an eye out. Is there a need for an ultra secret stealth aircraft these days, hmm, not so sure. UAV's are the way I think things are going, the Predator being a good example. Plus, miniaturization is another thing too. If you could have a very small, think a rather large RC aircraft, reconnaissance plane whose radar sig was that of a bird, or flock of birds, then you'd be doing rather well. Plus if you tech it up to make it stealthy (as long as it doesn't get wet of course 
) then it's even better. When it comes to optics, things have progressed a lot since the days of the Blackbird, so smaller optic packages go into smaller airframes.
As for the picture being a fake, probably is, well, if it's mean to be Aurora, if anything it'll be a Nighthawk if it's not fake.
Though I'm not sure what the exclusion zone around places like A51, so a radar unit might not have enough range to pick things up.
Can the Air Force keep the development of a new aircraft secret in today's world? I think it's possible, even with the watchers keeping an eye out. Is there a need for an ultra secret stealth aircraft these days, hmm, not so sure. UAV's are the way I think things are going, the Predator being a good example. Plus, miniaturization is another thing too. If you could have a very small, think a rather large RC aircraft, reconnaissance plane whose radar sig was that of a bird, or flock of birds, then you'd be doing rather well. Plus if you tech it up to make it stealthy (as long as it doesn't get wet of course
) then it's even better. When it comes to optics, things have progressed a lot since the days of the Blackbird, so smaller optic packages go into smaller airframes.As for the picture being a fake, probably is, well, if it's mean to be Aurora, if anything it'll be a Nighthawk if it's not fake.
20 November 2008, 01:06 PM
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yeah i know, this has been exposed as a fake, but its a fake based on an eyewitness account. He claims to have seen a large highly swept delta in formation with a pair of aardvarks while being refuelled by an extender.
On the subject of keeping secrets, just remember they kept the F117 under wraps for the best part of a decade, so anythings possible!
Astraboy.
On the subject of keeping secrets, just remember they kept the F117 under wraps for the best part of a decade, so anythings possible!
Astraboy.
20 November 2008, 01:15 PM
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All I see is two small boxes with red crosses in the OP
Didn't the "have blue aircraft" originally haveno tail, then twin fins before the butterfly tail arrangement of the F117 ?
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Didn't the "have blue aircraft" originally haveno tail, then twin fins before the butterfly tail arrangement of the F117 ?
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20 November 2008, 01:21 PM
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20 November 2008, 04:13 PM
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Bare in mind that the USA stealth jet program started in the 70s, and in an interview a few years back a lockheed martin skunkworks ex managerial employee stated that the we simply wouldn't believe some of the stuff they are developing. Aurora itself may or may not exist, but im sure there's certainly some very exotic stuff being developed/tested.
Head on over to abovetopsecret.com and browse to the skunk works section. Hours of Reading 'material' there
Head on over to abovetopsecret.com and browse to the skunk works section. Hours of Reading 'material' there
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20 November 2008, 04:56 PM
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yeah i know, this has been exposed as a fake, but its a fake based on an eyewitness account. He claims to have seen a large highly swept delta in formation with a pair of aardvarks while being refuelled by an extender.
On the subject of keeping secrets, just remember they kept the F117 under wraps for the best part of a decade, so anythings possible!
Astraboy.
On the subject of keeping secrets, just remember they kept the F117 under wraps for the best part of a decade, so anythings possible!
Astraboy.
20 November 2008, 04:59 PM
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Another reason why they dont fly these things......satellites!
For vertical recon they dont need planes any more, for ELINT they already have loads of planes, and for HUMINT they have Bond, so there you go!
For vertical recon they dont need planes any more, for ELINT they already have loads of planes, and for HUMINT they have Bond, so there you go!