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Old 09 December 2008, 05:26 PM
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England's pupils have been placed in the top 10 for science and maths in a global league table of achievement.

As a person involved in the Education of our children I think this is fantastic news!

BBC NEWS | Education | England's pupils in global top 10

The results put England's pupils ahead of other European countries, including industrial competitors such as Germany and the traditional education powerhouses of Scandinavia.

They also put England ahead of the United States and Australia on each of the assessments used by the researchers.

The highest score is for secondary science, where England's 14-year-olds are ranked fifth. In the three other categories, England was in seventh place.

This is a significant improvement on the last round of tests.
Old 09 December 2008, 05:33 PM
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Hey So were 18th in the world for Maths

- cant be bad...
Old 09 December 2008, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Nat21
I just posted that you old plonker
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Just looked again ... you certainly did - my humblest apologies!

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Well the science bit is a turn around - cant hep feeling Reading and Writing are more impotant in your school years ..!
Old 09 December 2008, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Nat21
So now all the kids are good at Maths they can work out how much £££ all the banks have lost and how much debt the country and the parents are in
I doubt they would care, just as long as Santa comes once a year
Old 09 December 2008, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Nat21
So now all the kids are good at Maths they can work out how much £££ all the banks have lost and how much debt the country and the parents are in
And how much of Nu Labour's national debt they will inherit when they leave school and become taxpayers (assuming they ever do)

Strange how employers and higher education institutions claim that the most school leavers are innumerate and illiterate. I guess that if the tests are dumbed down enough then you can get the results you want.
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Originally Posted by Nat21
Oh, and we're in the top 10 for both maths and science

now i know that my daughter can do her own bladdy homework
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The wording in the above excerpt doesnt actually make sense

- there also seems to be the usual poke at the Scots
Old 09 December 2008, 07:40 PM
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OK I'll play the game. What do they need to be clever at to get ahead in the UK? Till skills? Customer service? How to serve folk burgers?

You tell me?

As a department we take on about 8 - 10 Skillseekers a year, perhaps one might make the grade, sometimes none do. And I can assure you, all they need to do to get a foot in the door is read and write, do basic maths and arithmetic and speak in sentences.

The graduates are not much better, but it makes HR feel a bit more assured when they finally have to offer them a real job.

Oh and our business is based down saff
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I wonder on what all this is based on. How difficult are the exams that the children from other countries take compared with ours. We know that standards have been lowered here and it is now pretty easy to get to a university ,even if your english and maths is so poor that the new university students have to go on special course to raise them to a sufficiently good standard to actually start the degree course!

It comes to something when we find that new teachers over here are not very literate in so many cases too.

Les
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Originally Posted by Jye
OK I'll play the game. What do they need to be clever at to get ahead in the UK? Till skills? Customer service? How to serve folk burgers?

You tell me?

As a department we take on about 8 - 10 Skillseekers a year, perhaps one might make the grade, sometimes none do. And I can assure you, all they need to do to get a foot in the door is read and write, do basic maths and arithmetic and speak in sentences.

The graduates are not much better, but it makes HR feel a bit more assured when they finally have to offer them a real job.

Oh and our business is based down saff
Is maths different to arithmetic then????
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Strange how employers and higher education institutions claim that the most school leavers are innumerate and illiterate. I guess that if the tests are dumbed down enough then you can get the results you want.
Working in FE, I personally interview and vet our applicants. They MUST have at least 3 GCSEs @ C grade or better.
We then do a diagnostic test that tells us what academic level they're really working at. Rarely do the two match up......

Which leads me to conclude that the "intelligence" value of the GCSE is worthless, as they the students are trained to pass the exam.
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