Kieran_Burns

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http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/news/Criminals-wear-high-visibility-jackets/article-535750-detail/article.html


CRIMINALS ordered to carry out work instead of being sent to jail have taken to the streets of Derby in controversial high-visibility jackets for the first time.
The bright orange jackets, clearly branded with the words "Community Payback" on the back, were being worn by a group of three men and two women who were painting a social club in Mackworth yesterday.
The Government says clearly identifying criminals carrying out community service will show members of the public that justice is being done.
A spokesman for Derbyshire Probation Service said: "People can visibly see for themselves that we are carrying out work in their community and they can see the quality of that work."
But human rights organisation Liberty has labelled the jackets as "medieval justice" .

Shami Chakrabarti, director of the charity, said: "When someone has lost their self-respect and committed a crime, the last thing to do is degrade them further."


Now I'm all for punishing the guilty and making Law and Order visible, but I have to wonder at this. However, as a deterrent... it's hard to beat, unless you supply them with bright orange boiler suits of course.

Luminous

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Not sure on the wording, Community Payback is a bit strong. Just be to the point and have "Community Service" labels on them. Job done.

Leslie

Dont see why convicted criminals should have any special protection from being shamed for what they did.

Les

Jamz3k

i personally think its a very good idea but then again i think they should bring back the stocks as well! Them Human Rights people really need to shut the **** up!

fivetide

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Top idea. Exactly what should be happening!

5t.

+Doc+

Excellent idea, better add a ball and chain as well just in case they do a runner.

jacrobat

and a man on horseback with a shotgun.

Janspeed

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or 2.

mykp

Shami Chakrabarti, director of the charity, said: "When someone has lost their self-respect and committed a crime, the last thing to do is degrade them further."

what about the rights of the people, business or communities these people have comitted crime against?

People dont lose there dignity to commit a crime, "oh! **** i've lost my dignity, i'll beat the crap out of that old lady"

Utter b*ll*cks as usual from Chakrabarti.

SunnySideUp

Excellent news ... glad they have rolled it out - now get those single mothers back to work and we will start to redress the balance in this country!!

If you want money from the state you work for it.

If you commit crimes against the community, you wear a yellow jacket so all can see!! (or det an Infraction I assume?)

The Zohan

It makes them easier to spot and subsiquently hurl abuse at/punch/gob on as you walk/drive past which has to be bonus!

Yes, hig-vis all the way and it iit has communty whatever on, the more the better, scum should not go around committing crimes if they do not want to get punished and payback enforced on them, they have a choice to or not to the same as the rest of the law abiding public FFS!

GC8

If theyre given a fair choice, then I dont have an issue for it. If they dont want to be pilloried and remain relatively anonymous, then they have the option to complete their sentence in prison. They take this option because prison (with the exception of one private wing Ive heard of which actually lives up to all of your Daily Mail-reading fears) is far from easy.

David Lock

Don't knock this woman. This country needs people like her to stand up to the government and campaign against state intrusiveness. ID cards anyone? Cameras to check you're using the right dustbin?

IMHO giving them yellow vests is a bit OTT.

I had to semi-supervise a bunch of these people who were told to paint a charity building which I had cleared out. What a hopeless lot! Out of about a dozen 2 or 3 got on with the job and the rest just buggered about doing the minimum. 1 or them spent most of the time shaking and in tears, drug withdrawal? Their official supervisors were pretty useless. dl

Jye

I agree, but as they are orange vests this is OK in my book

The Zohan

LOL!

Yup!

David Lock

Tres droll

Jye

Tres, sans vue

Seriously, they most likely deserve all they get, human rights or no human rights.

Luke

Just been made to stay in Derby is punishment enough.

Blue by You

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That's the criminal justice system sorted then, send all the perps to Derby!
Luke for Home Secretary!

GC8

The day will never come, when people who live in Northampton can look down on Derby!

The crims had a choice. They elected to take thi spunishment in order to avoid a prison sentence and being identified as wrong-doers was part of the punishment, which was factored in to the overall tarif. The crims human rights are not affected because they can elect to take the conventional punishment and go to prison. Take away the element of shame and the punishment would be an easy way of avoiding a prison sentence and be of no worth.

Blue by You

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Just kidding GC.
I agree that public shaming could be a better deterrent than full time custody, and why shouldn't crims spend their alloted time in public service.

jods

It gets my vote.

I'd also like to see a weekly / monthly newspaper with photos of locally convicted crims and their crimes detailed.

They do the Hi-Viz thing AND the newspaper in the States. It doesn't seem to reduce crime to zero but it does make for tidy streets and interesting reading.

little-ginge

i dont think they should be given a choice. I think they should be made to do it. Sod their liberty - they are criminals and as such forfeited any human rights or liberty when they comitted the crime.

OllyK

I'd prefer it if they were locked up in a prison somewhere rather than being allowed to roam the streets because this "tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime" government haven't bothered to build any more prisons.

GC8

'Sod their liberty' opinions are foolish. What protects them also protects you. Threads like this always seem to lack a deal of thinking.

Leslie

She does have good ideas often, but when she starts on the PC Plonkers' ideas about being soft on convicted criminals then I think she is wrong and that those theories are contributing to the downfall of this country.

Les