f1_fan

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BBC NEWS | UK | BBC urged to transmit Gaza appeal

Seems like Israel has some influence at the BBC as well as most Western governments. :roll:

And to think we are taxed to fund this so called bastion of broadcasting.

The Zohan

It seems sad and a shame - i wonder how many appeals the BBC and others have broadcast for other countries at war or who have so called terrorists in charge or in war torn countries of the world with regimes which we do not agree or like or want in power.


It now seems Israel is the second most powerful and influential country in the world - beaten to no 1 by their good friend and long time sponsor and fan the US of A.

It seems Israel can do what it wants when it wants and get away with it whilst the rest of the world just looks on and rattles their sabres

It just makes Israel out to look more powerful and influential and dangerous and just as likely to cause more trouble and problems in the Arab world - IMHO of course.

I am not anti semetic or particulalrly pro Arab i just see unfiarness and influence being used and the ones suffering for it are the ones who really need our help.

If anything the stink caused by not allowing it might just help generate more awareness of the need for aid!

should you wish to help/donate:
DEC
or if you work for the BBC feel that the DEC is just too political then try this lot
International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies (IFRC)

Klaatu

Are we surprised? C'mon...

cster

They might as well, everyone who can be bothered knows the BBC are biased toward the Palestinian cause.
I don't know why the pretence otherwise.
Must be something in their charter.

Maz

iTrader: (34)

There would be no cause if it wasn't for the brutality of they are enduring.

cster

unclebuck

Nothing the BBC enjoys more than talking about itself. Apparently this nonsense is supposed to be the 'news headlines'



When any responsible broadcaster should be informing the population about the continuing destruction of the UK economy by Nu Labour. Apparently even Ross's return is more relevant.

Gordo

Isn't it being impartial by not taking sides?

hodgy0_2

it depends

if you think it is impartial not intervene when a fully grown man kicks the **** out of a 5 year old boy

the yes they are being “impartial” – but sometimes you just have to stand up for what’s right

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

LOL, you never ever miss an opportunity do you?

mrtheedge2u2

BBC are not alone, the other stations are doing the same based on the fact that they can not be seen to be biased but they also said that they can not be sure the money raised and good boughts will be effectively distributed.

Lets say a group of people ran a campaign to get a massive memorial to the Israelis killed in the conflict, would you be happy if the BBC ran the campaign??

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

No but this is a humanitarian appeal to help those displaced etc. by the conflict. Nothing to do with erecting memorials.

Oh and if they did the Israeli memorial would be rather small compared to the Palestinian one - just a thought!

David Lock

All the Israelis could ask for would be help to rebuild the two bus shelters they lost during the campaign

This hardly compares with tens of thousands of tons of rubble, with bits of kids sticking out, which is what has become of much of Gaza.

I think the BBC should stick its "impartiality" argument up its **** and do all it can to help. If that ruffles a few feathers, tough.

If they don't want to carry the ad directly then thay can do a report on the campaign with the head of Oxfam or whatever standing next to a poster with all the details on it. dl

finalzero

Well Israel admitted during their Gaza campaign they would be actively dealing with PR to try to counter any negative press from the wider world... so much for that.

I expected more from the BBC, how can you be impartial if you don't allow communication to work both ways?

Good to see the other stations realise the BBC are being ***** and agreeing to air the Gaza Aid appeal.

rr_ww

I don't mind if they show the appeal for help.

So long as next week they issue an appeal for the women and children of Israel who keep being bombarded by the 30-40 Hamas Un-guided rockets launched every single day!

Seems the whole world forgets that Israel is getting in the neck ALL the time from the Palastinians. But everyone just condems Israel for finally "breaking" and fighting back.

If during the troubles the IRA had been anywhere near as violent, you think the people of Britain would of stood by and let the G'ment do nothing?


And I for one abhore the tossers in government for criticising the BBC for not doing what it wants! That's impartiality!

greenonedave

Hammas are a party dedicated to the destruction of the state of Isreal.
The people of palestine vote in Hammas.
Hammas start firing missiles into Isreal.
Isreal fights back.
Isreal are now the bad guys !
Golda Myer said When the Palestinian people love their children more than they hate the Jews then there will be peace !
The BBC are right, This situation could have been avoided, I am quite sure if there was a natural occurance flood/drought then they should join in and help.

hodgy0_2

eerr I drove past Canary Warf two days after the IRA blew it up, they killed 2 people and sent a 2 ton lorry 300 feet in the air and wrecked 4 to 5 office blocks -- the closest having to be rebuilt completely

when i was young, they blew up soldiers on horseback with nail bombs on horsguards parade, the omagh bombings, guildord, birmingham, warrington continual bombing of oxford street so much so that they actually used to offer a xmass cease fire, ever wondered why there are no bins on the tube or in oxford street -- its not Al Quaida, they were taken away because the IRA would use the to hide bombs in them

what are you talking about -- absolute rubbish

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Depends if you call the cold blooded killing of women and children fighting back. Or how about shooting at Red Cross convoys or shelling UN safe houses or blowing up schools that the day before you told civilians to go to because they are safe or using white phosphor ...... and so on.

As for these poor Israelis under constant rocket attack I'll wager the IRA killed more people than all these rockets put together. Not saying it's right, but don't believe all the Israeli propoganda about whole swathes of the country living in constant fear.

This is a humanitarian appeal anyway and unlike the Palestinian people the Israelis are hardly in need of aid as no one has blocked off their food, water and medical supplies have they now.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

And why would they vote in Hamas?? Maybe because a certain country (and its Western allies) has left them with nothing else to vote for or to fight with. Do you really think all those in Hamas woke up one morning and just decided to become terrorists? Or do you think that they have slowly been driven to it by the continued oppression of their people.

I recently read a comment by an Israeli soldier who was refusing to fight in Gaza who said 'All we (Israel) are doing is creating the suicide bombers of tomorrow'.

chris1scouser

poor choice of words by the BBC, they should of used the word biased instead of impartial.
If you look at the pictures from gaza they are sad whatever religion you are.

rr_ww

I'm not requiring a history lesson. And I'd point out there's several bins on Oxford Street ta.

My point which you failed to see is that we didn't live in constant fear of the IRA. It was a concern of course, but not constant bombardment! The IRA didn't rain down 30-40 rockets PER DAY on the UK. If they had of the government of the time would have come under massive pressure to act. That's why Israel acted. It listened to it's citizens. (something the current administration of this country should consider doing instead of telling us what to do! - but I digress)

Maybe if the ORDINARY Palestinians had told Hamas they had no support for their militant actions they wouldn't of left themselves open to this. and where exactly does the 100m Euros a year from the EU alone go? Hmm. Buying more rockets!

Even after the recent ceasefire was announced. Hamas CONTINUED to fire. it's inbred in that part of the world. I heard one wailing woman condem "the Jews" hardly going to instill peaceful cohabitation if your parents speak like that. I go with the above quote about Arabs feeling obligated to fight Israel. And that from time to time Israel feel the need to act. Remember also that Hamas kidnapped Israeli soldiers and never returned the bodies. That's a war crime right there. But the media and tossers in no.10 just side with Gaza ALL THE TIME!

However, NEITHER side is in the right about this. And it will NEVER change.


To get back on topic But I don't see why our Government has any right to chastise the BBC or even consider giving £20M to Gaza when it's not in the UK's interest!

Maz

iTrader: (34)

Here's history lesson (not that you want one) the Zioinists forcibly seize land belonging to the Palestinians. Over the years they oppress and cause misery to the indiginous population of the area whilst seizing more land and establishing settlements. I wonder why the Palestinians are so peeved? It's no coincidence the latest campaign by the Zionists took place whilst Bush was leaving and Obama taking over the presidency. Perhaps the Zionists feel Obama wont be kow towing to them like his predecessor.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

You really think that You must live in a parallel universe to me.

Look we aren't going to see eye to eye on this. You convenienlty forget the odd Israeli trotting out the 'one Jew is worth thousand Arabs' mantra as well as forgetting all the little Isareli indiscretions I pointed out.

Most of all though I think you have no comprehension of how desperate the average Palestinian's life is and has been for many years. So desperate that to many of them even putting a terrorist organisation in power can seem like a good idea. Sorry, but that is the way it is in Gaza.

hodgy0_2

thats just rubbish -- I was born in West London and was a teenager in the late 70,s and 80's, and i,m sorry if it doesn't fit your altered reality but there was genuine fear, especially around xmass, hence the cease fire. My mum had plenty of friends who lived in the US who simply would not come to the UK for fear of being blown up -- and remember this is just London, what about the fear (on all sides) in NI

the fact is the Isreali,s have slaughtered 100's on innocent children, using chemical weapons to target them -- utterly barbaric, and this attempt to excuse it based on the fact that the Isreali's are the only country to suffer from terrorist attacks is pathetic

rr_ww

I do. I think its their way of trying to balance the "war on terror" we'll condemn Al Quada attacks, but balance it by saying about the humanitarian crisis in Palestine. A crisis that seems to me to be never actually aided by other Arab states. But thats another thing. I had never heard that 100 lives thing.

I don't think using paranoid Americans is a good yardstick. Remember most of the IRAs funding came from America. (as you well know, it was bin Laden that inadvertently killed the IRA) You as the other poster miss my point. For all the FEAR of IRA activity. It was not EVERY day. And it defiently wasn't 30-40 SEPARATE attacks per day. And people HAD to get on with their lives.

Hamas should put more effort into trying to negociate than constantly bombarding other countries. It should put more effort into helping its people. But it won't and will never do so. Their Mantra is "Hamas's charter calls for an end to Israel" (source: Wiki) And the destruciton of that state. When they change that to "help the people of Gaza" I suspect half the problems will go away. I wonder if it's related that very few Arab nations actually slated Israel when they started their recent offensive. Maybe it shows how isolated Hamas has made Gaza.

As I say its not perfect out there. But I refuse to pander to the medias protrayal as Israel being "the big bad" and killing children for the hell of it. If the militants desisted it would all stop. I have no doubt as Israel would have no right to keep attacking.

cster

hodgy0_2

thats true -- as I was going to quote Sylvester Stallone saying that he would not come to london for fear of the IRA, but thought better of it

I have been told, and I admit that i do not know (not that it changes my argument) that most if not all these rockets are home made fireworks and in almost all cases fall harmlessly in the desert -- and are often fired as a pathetic (used in the proper meaning of the word) attempt to show the wider palestinian community that the "struggle" continues

this seems born out by the fact that 20 isreali,s have been killed by them in 6 years (far far less than the IRA managed in just one xmas campaign)

Diesel

Well said mate -most decent people sympathise with the oppressed, the dis-enfranchised, the bullied, the downtrodden, the weak. Those that have been subject to systematic subjugation, racism and poverty for decades.

Why the hell anyone should feel that Israel reacted appropriately, proportionately or fairly to a 'small protest annoyance' is ABSOLUTELY beyond me. Those Hamas rockets were flies on the tail of a large *** - and then 99% of these drunken 'flies' failed to impact the large **** of Israel... If every other country in the world is 'allowed' an army or a defence force, why not one of the most abjectly oppressed and dominated peoples on earth?

Israel is clearly currently playing out a basal 'survival of the fittest' jungle law scenario. This is bullying in its purest sense - the big preying on the weak and poor and then dancing on their dead bones. It is something the international community, the UN etc usually challenge

I could go on, but, as this (my) viewpoint is enhanced by what I saw on John Snow's programme late last night on CH4 (first Israeli permitted International press access to Gaza). In fact (and ANY dad deny this...) if it was MY two daughters dead in my arms, and my life so abjectly bleak, terrorised and desperate, I would HAPPILY strap a hundredweight of TNT to my body and seek out Israel's military sourced, 'ministerial' aggressors, and their daughters too...

They have made the world a far worse and more dangerous place by this show of brutal, callous force and by closing all borders and then causing such large scale indiscriminate civilian death and destruction. Who then can blame a people of similar language, religion and skin colour from going all out after them, and their sponsors with ALL THAT THEY HAVE GOT? I know I certainly would. It is also the same principle that united Europe and the US in finishing of the equally tyranicall and genocidally friendly *****.

Sad days.

D

ScoTTyB

I respect the BBC's decision. Hard for you to believe since alot of you think the BBC is just the government propaganda machine, but it's a highly respected news service throughout the world. If many other channels are already running the Gaza pledge then why does it matter if the BBC do not.

I think alot of you underestimate how important it is for a news service to appear impartial, especially one with the reputation it has.

Diesel

Yeah! Maybe they should just calm down a bit, stop getting so emotional and stroppy in their stinky refugee camps and maybe vote LIKUD or Green Party

Have you ZERO empathy pal? Or do you always just roll over???

D