MOT Fail problem
10 June 2009, 10:05 PM
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MOT Fail problem
We have an old Fiat 500, bought about three months ago, it failed its MOT on three pages of stuff, needs welding, there is fibreglass underneath, wonky wheel bearings, electrics etc.
It passed an MOT ten months before we bought it, its done 100 miles with its last owner and was kept in a dry garage, we have done perhaps 200 so it doesnt add up, I personally dont think the MOT was legitimate, so what can we do, not bothered about getting them money back, kind of serves us right but I want to get the MOT station some heat for allowing vehicles through that arent roadworthy.
It passed an MOT ten months before we bought it, its done 100 miles with its last owner and was kept in a dry garage, we have done perhaps 200 so it doesnt add up, I personally dont think the MOT was legitimate, so what can we do, not bothered about getting them money back, kind of serves us right but I want to get the MOT station some heat for allowing vehicles through that arent roadworthy.
10 June 2009, 10:27 PM
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The MOT is actually only applicable to the day tested ..... obviously someone could put new tyres on, pass MOT, then put bald tyres back on to sell - it still has an MOT, but clearly wouldn't pass.
The MOT could have been fake or stolen, then you have some comeback.
It begs the question though, with 3 pages of fails, why you didn't spot at least a few items when you bought it?
The MOT could have been fake or stolen, then you have some comeback.
It begs the question though, with 3 pages of fails, why you didn't spot at least a few items when you bought it?
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10 June 2009, 10:29 PM
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MoT: a decidedly dodgy certificate issued by some garages to give them some income. Otherwise worthless
Source: dictionary of government car-crime.
Source: dictionary of government car-crime.
10 June 2009, 10:54 PM
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The MOT is actually only applicable to the day tested ..... obviously someone could put new tyres on, pass MOT, then put bald tyres back on to sell - it still has an MOT, but clearly wouldn't pass.
The MOT could have been fake or stolen, then you have some comeback.
It begs the question though, with 3 pages of fails, why you didn't spot at least a few items when you bought it?
The MOT could have been fake or stolen, then you have some comeback.
It begs the question though, with 3 pages of fails, why you didn't spot at least a few items when you bought it?
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10 June 2009, 11:02 PM
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I still think its worthy of reporting; your case alone might not be enough to trigger any action. But VOSA get enough complaints about a garage it will make them more inclined to act.
I mean things like structural corrosion and duff wheel bearings is not on IMO. If there was an issue 12months and 100 miles ago, then there should be advisory notes.
I mean things like structural corrosion and duff wheel bearings is not on IMO. If there was an issue 12months and 100 miles ago, then there should be advisory notes.
11 June 2009, 12:58 AM
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If there were advisory notes and you didn't get them with previous mot's you can check them online.
MOT Information - Introduction
MOT Information - Introduction
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11 June 2009, 01:09 AM
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I still think its worthy of reporting; your case alone might not be enough to trigger any action. But VOSA get enough complaints about a garage it will make them more inclined to act.
I mean things like structural corrosion and duff wheel bearings is not on IMO. If there was an issue 12months and 100 miles ago, then there should be advisory notes.
I mean things like structural corrosion and duff wheel bearings is not on IMO. If there was an issue 12months and 100 miles ago, then there should be advisory notes.
There may be as many pages again, which would 'sort of' cover the MOT'ers a$$
We've had 2 Fiats (Fix It Again Tomorrow
) and sold them both coz they where costing too much
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11 June 2009, 09:19 AM
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Moaning about a 10 month old MOT? Are you having a giraffe 
If you paid any money for the car you should have asked for a fresh MoT.
Good luck anyway dl
If you paid any money for the car you should have asked for a fresh MoT.
Good luck anyway
dl
11 June 2009, 09:52 AM
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I would have thought if buying any old heap of scrap like a fiat- and especially a 500-------- you get dirty looking at it.
did you see wheeler dealers buying/repairing one ??????
did you see wheeler dealers buying/repairing one ??????
11 June 2009, 11:47 AM
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We have an old Fiat 500, bought about three months ago, it failed its MOT on three pages of stuff, needs welding, there is fibreglass underneath, wonky wheel bearings, electrics etc.
It passed an MOT ten months before we bought it, its done 100 miles with its last owner and was kept in a dry garage, we have done perhaps 200 so it doesnt add up, I personally dont think the MOT was legitimate, so what can we do, not bothered about getting them money back, kind of serves us right but I want to get the MOT station some heat for allowing vehicles through that arent roadworthy.
It passed an MOT ten months before we bought it, its done 100 miles with its last owner and was kept in a dry garage, we have done perhaps 200 so it doesnt add up, I personally dont think the MOT was legitimate, so what can we do, not bothered about getting them money back, kind of serves us right but I want to get the MOT station some heat for allowing vehicles through that arent roadworthy.
I think, having read the above, you can only start by going to the garage which issued the ticket and ask them what they mean by it all. If you put the fear of God up them they might find some kind of compensation for you.
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11 June 2009, 12:16 PM
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I offered to px my car against the new one for the wife, sacrifice my turbo 250 bhp Saab to avoid this, it had to be a proper one, I offered Moggies, A40's, Beetles etc and we didnt insist on a fresh MOT as it had obly done 100 miles since passing one and had been stored ina dry garage.
Now looking at £800 to put it right or inordinate amounts of my time fannying about, you live and learn.
11 June 2009, 01:24 PM
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Either the first passed MOT is dodgy .... or the one you have just had done is dodgy .... I would think it is the first.
A visit to the seller could extract some information - look at the water torture thread
A visit to the seller could extract some information - look at the water torture thread
11 June 2009, 08:19 PM
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isnt the problem with an MOT is that is just a visual test -- they arn't actually allowed to remove anything (not sure if they are even allowed to lift carpets)
so a really well done bodge well get through --- loads of sealer over a good fiberglass repair
so a really well done bodge well get through --- loads of sealer over a good fiberglass repair
11 June 2009, 10:34 PM
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Its possible. The tester would need to be deaf as well as blind though.
The tester is allowed to go over all the structure of the car's underside with his little hammer. Corroded metal is easily found by the sound it makes...a dull thud on deep rust as opposed to the sharp resonant bang of solid metal.
When my Landy was MOT'd the tester lost his hammer when tapping the chassis rails, only for a section to fell into a large hole, hammer flew striaght inside the chassis never to be seen again.
Before the test it "looked" perfectly sound, thanks the thick coatings of hammerite and underseal (typical old Landy; chassis rots from the inside out).
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12 June 2009, 09:25 AM
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Oh well, its back, she is ordering the cheap bits and we will see how we get on, the garage said the indicators were flashing too slowly, which they are but he reckons that the flasher unit is getting to hot, its brand new and I thought the older ones worked on a thermal basis anyway, sure it gets warm but not too hot to hold, they speed up with engine speed which to me says generator or voltage regulator rather than the actual flasher unit ?
12 June 2009, 10:33 AM
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Re: electricts; does the car have a dynamo or an alternator?
If it has a dynamo it could need the charge regulator adjusting (or the connections too it are corroded); Or the battery is knackered/half flat.
Other things that screw up old fashioned indicator flashers are corroded connections and bad earths; check the bulbs and fittings to make sure the bases are have clean metal on the contacts; cleaning them up with fine sandpaper if needed, and check all the wiring, connectors and earthing points are sound. Same with fuses, and the supply to the fuse box etc.
If it has a dynamo it could need the charge regulator adjusting (or the connections too it are corroded); Or the battery is knackered/half flat.
Other things that screw up old fashioned indicator flashers are corroded connections and bad earths; check the bulbs and fittings to make sure the bases are have clean metal on the contacts; cleaning them up with fine sandpaper if needed, and check all the wiring, connectors and earthing points are sound. Same with fuses, and the supply to the fuse box etc.
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