Have you ever bought anything from the "affordable" end of a premium brands range...
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Have you ever bought anything from the "affordable" end of a premium brands range...
...and been happy with it?
I mean, i can't imagine anyone who bought a 3-Series compact or a Merc C-Class "sport" coupe was ever happy with them. I imagine they'd be seething every time they saw a proper BMW/Merc?
Is that the norm?
Or can you buy the "cheapy" and be happy with it?
I mean, i can't imagine anyone who bought a 3-Series compact or a Merc C-Class "sport" coupe was ever happy with them. I imagine they'd be seething every time they saw a proper BMW/Merc?
Is that the norm?
Or can you buy the "cheapy" and be happy with it?
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I've a Boxster S, which is considerly cheaper than a Carrera 4 or Cayman, and because of the Mods (18" GT3 rims, lowered sport suspension etc) it looks damned good and has over 270bhp on tap as well...
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Sometimes the best cars are the cheaper end of the range, you get the same basic car, the engineering integrity and quality but obviously lose toys, badges and a big engine.
It depends on where you are coming from, if its sqeezing a company car budget to get a badge and wouldnt be seen dead in a higher specced car from the more mainstream (though arguably Ford and Vauxhall are more exclusive than BMW and Audi nowadays) then you are a sad git.
A boggo 3 series does ninety perscent of what an M3 does, even basic BMW's nowadays arent that bad spec wise, they just make them look a bit mundane so you buy the leather interior, bling pack, crashy sports suspension, huge alloys and a pointless telly/sat nav in the dash, I suspect that a 320d where the owner has avoided the options list is actually nicer to drive with complaint suspension and no run flats but BMW et al play on our insecurites and sell lots of Garnish that we all fall for, for the really vain they add things like Exclusive, Autograph or Proffessional on to the options and hike the price even further to the point where you can spec a car up to double the cost of the same thing with no options.
It depends on where you are coming from, if its sqeezing a company car budget to get a badge and wouldnt be seen dead in a higher specced car from the more mainstream (though arguably Ford and Vauxhall are more exclusive than BMW and Audi nowadays) then you are a sad git.
A boggo 3 series does ninety perscent of what an M3 does, even basic BMW's nowadays arent that bad spec wise, they just make them look a bit mundane so you buy the leather interior, bling pack, crashy sports suspension, huge alloys and a pointless telly/sat nav in the dash, I suspect that a 320d where the owner has avoided the options list is actually nicer to drive with complaint suspension and no run flats but BMW et al play on our insecurites and sell lots of Garnish that we all fall for, for the really vain they add things like Exclusive, Autograph or Proffessional on to the options and hike the price even further to the point where you can spec a car up to double the cost of the same thing with no options.
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I know a lad with a really tidy old one of those, he loves it, surely they were just the same thing only shorter, did they have different rear suspension that wasnt as good.
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I have a UK spec classic hence it has **** all rear wash wipe, no aircon and basic power as well as weaker engine. Been fun and expensive getting it up to a decent spec but would I do it again..no
It is easier and cheaper in the long term to go for the mid range spec in many items, be it cars, laptops, cameras etc as they tend to do the same just without a few flashy extras. Though sometimes there is one little 'extra' that you so badly need...*******s
It is easier and cheaper in the long term to go for the mid range spec in many items, be it cars, laptops, cameras etc as they tend to do the same just without a few flashy extras. Though sometimes there is one little 'extra' that you so badly need...*******s
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My old Lexus LS400 i bought for a song. £70K new. bought for peanuts. very over engineered car. was due an oil change last december and the oil was still a nice golden colour when dipped. mot due in december and i reckon it won't need much, just a quick once over. bit of a barge but really comfy and quiet.
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was watching an old episode of top gear the other night, the one where jezza tests the alfa 166. £30k new, in 1 year worth about £10K. Do you think it is worth investing a large wad of cash in a new luxury car? i know other brands hold their value rather better than others but 2/3 of the value wiped of your car in 1 year that's just crazy.
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I bought an 04 standard wrx some years ago. it is the top spec of all imprezzas though being an SL model. i.e heated leather, air con, sunroof etc
but not top spec in terms of being an STI or P1 etc.
its as stock as a rock and will stay so.
I don't honestly believe I'd use the power of an STI in the driving I do- I guess if I wanted one, I'd have bought one.
but not top spec in terms of being an STI or P1 etc.
its as stock as a rock and will stay so.
I don't honestly believe I'd use the power of an STI in the driving I do- I guess if I wanted one, I'd have bought one.
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This is something that bugs me as well. Who buys a 316i? Why do BMW even make it? I hate buying into the bottom of the range for anything.
This is no joke but, one night we were on a driving tour of Scotland and were chatting to a guy we knew about out trip whilst pissed up in a caravan. He overheard me talking to my mate about his car (BMW M3) and I muttered something along the lines of, "She really held on that corner today, eh? No idea where the limits were but they were beyond where I was comfy to go"
....at that moment there was a thud as keys landed next to me. This other guy, Keith, had chucked them. He lent towards me and said, "BMW 316 mate....see if you can get that unstuck!"
Clearly he didn't realise when he chucked me the keys to his awesome 316i that I had been referring to an e46 M3. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry! To this day 316's are a running joke with me and my mates - we give them the utmost respect cause they are that fast!!!!!
This is no joke but, one night we were on a driving tour of Scotland and were chatting to a guy we knew about out trip whilst pissed up in a caravan. He overheard me talking to my mate about his car (BMW M3) and I muttered something along the lines of, "She really held on that corner today, eh? No idea where the limits were but they were beyond where I was comfy to go"
....at that moment there was a thud as keys landed next to me. This other guy, Keith, had chucked them. He lent towards me and said, "BMW 316 mate....see if you can get that unstuck!"
Clearly he didn't realise when he chucked me the keys to his awesome 316i that I had been referring to an e46 M3. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry! To this day 316's are a running joke with me and my mates - we give them the utmost respect cause they are that fast!!!!!
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This is something that bugs me as well. Who buys a 316i? Why do BMW even make it? I hate buying into the bottom of the range for anything.
This is no joke but, one night we were on a driving tour of Scotland and were chatting to a guy we knew about out trip whilst pissed up in a caravan. He overheard me talking to my mate about his car (BMW M3) and I muttered something along the lines of, "She really held on that corner today, eh? No idea where the limits were but they were beyond where I was comfy to go"
....at that moment there was a thud as keys landed next to me. This other guy, Keith, had chucked them. He lent towards me and said, "BMW 316 mate....see if you can get that unstuck!"
Clearly he didn't realise when he chucked me the keys to his awesome 316i that I had been referring to an e46 M3. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry! To this day 316's are a running joke with me and my mates - we give them the utmost respect cause they are that fast!!!!!
This is no joke but, one night we were on a driving tour of Scotland and were chatting to a guy we knew about out trip whilst pissed up in a caravan. He overheard me talking to my mate about his car (BMW M3) and I muttered something along the lines of, "She really held on that corner today, eh? No idea where the limits were but they were beyond where I was comfy to go"
....at that moment there was a thud as keys landed next to me. This other guy, Keith, had chucked them. He lent towards me and said, "BMW 316 mate....see if you can get that unstuck!"
Clearly he didn't realise when he chucked me the keys to his awesome 316i that I had been referring to an e46 M3. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry! To this day 316's are a running joke with me and my mates - we give them the utmost respect cause they are that fast!!!!!
Maybe some people don't buy BMW's just for the image of being a ****!
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I can't stand them in car form.
They just seem to be driven by middle management social climbing t1t heads that because they have a "Beemer" or "Audi" think they've made it and drive like complete *****.
I've seen bottom of the range Mercs, BMWs, Audis and the like driven very badly SO many times yet the ones with "proper" engines usually seem to be run by semi (or full) enthusiasts who IMO take care over their driving and don't feel the need to tailgate everyone.
BMWs rep took a slide when they went mainstream and every rep "on the make" lapped them up and made them look like pillocks.
We are looking at a possible 335i or 335d next but the poor image is a serious issue.
They just seem to be driven by middle management social climbing t1t heads that because they have a "Beemer" or "Audi" think they've made it and drive like complete *****.
I've seen bottom of the range Mercs, BMWs, Audis and the like driven very badly SO many times yet the ones with "proper" engines usually seem to be run by semi (or full) enthusiasts who IMO take care over their driving and don't feel the need to tailgate everyone.
BMWs rep took a slide when they went mainstream and every rep "on the make" lapped them up and made them look like pillocks.
We are looking at a possible 335i or 335d next but the poor image is a serious issue.
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I'm quite the opposite really. I recently bought my ST220 because it's the top of the range and has the power and equipment you'd expect of such a model. I could have bought a 323 or something like that for the same money but it would be slower, older and not as well equipped. I simply can't understand why someone would spend big sums of money on a poverty spec BMW or Merc when the equivalent Ford, Vauxhaul, Volkswagen would be a far better vehicle in nearly every department with the exception of 'car park image'. Don't get me wrong, I'd love a BMW and the kudos that goes with having a premium brand car but I'll not take that plunge until I can afford to buy into near the top of the brand.
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I once had a K reg BMW base 318i ..........the garage offered to de-badge it for me so I didn't look like a rep LOL
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They do if you drive them around here. On one short trip in the 355, I got road raged three times. And I was genuinely driving as sensibly as is possible in it.