Swine Flu - the non-facts
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Swine Flu - the non-facts
Swine flu came closer to home yesterday as someone who works for me has just returned to work having had a week off with swine flu.
So my attention was pricked by two stats given out by the BBC in the last three days.
One fact is that around a third of the population will contract Swine Flu this year.
Last night, remarkably, the BBC put up a graphic which showed a death rate of 0.5%.
If you put these two figures together then you get a number of at least 100,000 dead which is a MASSIVE number.
Something does not add up here.
The reality is that at the end of last week the number of confirmed cases was around 10,000 with the number of deaths at 16.
This is a death rate, at worst of 0.0016%. And that is based on confirmed cases. There are probably two to five times the number of real cases, although the death rate may also be understated.
By the BBCs assessment we will be seeing 550 deaths a day between now and the end of the year. A truly fatal epidemic!
So my attention was pricked by two stats given out by the BBC in the last three days.
One fact is that around a third of the population will contract Swine Flu this year.
Last night, remarkably, the BBC put up a graphic which showed a death rate of 0.5%.
If you put these two figures together then you get a number of at least 100,000 dead which is a MASSIVE number.
Something does not add up here.
The reality is that at the end of last week the number of confirmed cases was around 10,000 with the number of deaths at 16.
This is a death rate, at worst of 0.0016%. And that is based on confirmed cases. There are probably two to five times the number of real cases, although the death rate may also be understated.
By the BBCs assessment we will be seeing 550 deaths a day between now and the end of the year. A truly fatal epidemic!
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I'm sorry, but I truly hate, loathe and despise the BBC, from it's constant trying to frighten everyone, to it's constant doom and gloom, to it's fawning over Labour politicians, to it's paying of obscene sums of money to untalented gits like Wogan and Woss, to it's lack of ENGLISH presenters on ENGLISH services.
I'd remove their license fee safety net and see how they get on then.........bust like Setanta in two years
I take ANYTHING they say on pandemics with a whole cellarful of salt: if you believed them, half of us would now be dead with BIRD flu, let alone swine flu. And how many DID die?
I'd remove their license fee safety net and see how they get on then.........bust like Setanta in two years
I take ANYTHING they say on pandemics with a whole cellarful of salt: if you believed them, half of us would now be dead with BIRD flu, let alone swine flu. And how many DID die?
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The release of Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince has caused numerous problems with swine flu about.
The word is, if you watch Harry Potter while you have swine flu, you get hogwarts.
Well, you did say non-facts..
Coat well and truly on.
The word is, if you watch Harry Potter while you have swine flu, you get hogwarts.
Well, you did say non-facts..
Coat well and truly on.
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Like when we were all going to lose our marbles because we'd eaten mental cows for years. Like when we'd all suddenly contract AIDS or die from a dodgy egg.
Until people drop dead in thousands per day within the first week of a virus emerging I'm not going to lose any sleep. Heck I had all the symptoms last week from sore throat to fever and swallon glands the whole shebang. I was rather hoping to be the first kid on my street to catch it and be in the paper!
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Now that was twatful, funny but twatful
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Ive got swine flu...... although it hasnt been 'confirmed'
My friend has swine flu and I started developing flu like symptoms, so rang my surgery and spoke to my doctor she went through a check list.....then announced yes its swine flu and I had to send someone to collect my prescription for Tamiflu.
So now Im stuck at home, I thought it quite odd how they now assume its swine flu without any testing.
I suppose if I die then they will know for sure (joking) .. (i hope) lol
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My friend has swine flu and I started developing flu like symptoms, so rang my surgery and spoke to my doctor she went through a check list.....then announced yes its swine flu and I had to send someone to collect my prescription for Tamiflu.
So now Im stuck at home, I thought it quite odd how they now assume its swine flu without any testing.
I suppose if I die then they will know for sure (joking) .. (i hope) lol
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The gut who sits next to me has just spoken to his doctor and from his symptoms, he has been told it's most likely he has swine flu and they have prescribed Tamiflu.
I must admit, he really didn't seem too well!
Just as I'm about to start my holidays too!
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I must admit, he really didn't seem too well!
Just as I'm about to start my holidays too!
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When I rang the doctor they said that I had a viral infection, to drink plenty of clear fluids and take paracetamol. Still suffering now, but back at work for now... Might have to go home though as I feel rotten!
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I'm sure I heard reported that in the UK alone we lose somewhere in the region of 20,000 people per annum to "normal" flu each year, so Bird, Swine, or any other extra flu has a way to go to catch up.
Tried searching Google, but if you put in "UK", "deaths", and "flu", all you get is hysterical "news" reports about Swine Flu!
Let's hope we don't get anything like the Spanish flu pandemic like they did after World War 1 - now that was a killer! Wikipedia
Tried searching Google, but if you put in "UK", "deaths", and "flu", all you get is hysterical "news" reports about Swine Flu!
Let's hope we don't get anything like the Spanish flu pandemic like they did after World War 1 - now that was a killer! Wikipedia
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Was chatting to a guy last week who said his best mate (A Medic) had a flat mate with swine flu.
The medic was desperately hoping he'd contract it so he'd have a few days off work...
The medic was desperately hoping he'd contract it so he'd have a few days off work...
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I'm sorry, but I truly hate, loathe and despise the BBC, from it's constant trying to frighten everyone, to it's constant doom and gloom, to it's fawning over Labour politicians, to it's paying of obscene sums of money to untalented gits like Wogan and Woss, to it's lack of ENGLISH presenters on ENGLISH services.
I'd remove their license fee safety net and see how they get on then.........bust like Setanta in two years
I take ANYTHING they say on pandemics with a whole cellarful of salt: if you believed them, half of us would now be dead with BIRD flu, let alone swine flu. And how many DID die?
I'd remove their license fee safety net and see how they get on then.........bust like Setanta in two years
I take ANYTHING they say on pandemics with a whole cellarful of salt: if you believed them, half of us would now be dead with BIRD flu, let alone swine flu. And how many DID die?
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I'm sorry, but I truly hate, loathe and despise the BBC, from it is constant trying to frighten everyone, to it is constant doom and gloom, to it is fawning over Labour politicians, to it is paying of obscene sums of money to untalented gits like Wogan and Woss, to it is lack of ENGLISH presenters on ENGLISH services.
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And why's that, Dr Scrappydoo?
Excluding anything based on your own personal uninformed bias of course. Just hard medical facts please.
You are, you're, fyi.
Excluding anything based on your own personal uninformed bias of course. Just hard medical facts please.
You are, you're, fyi.
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i've said this before funnily enough. you don't hear a bloody thing about them!
all these diseases are still around. it's just **** me, what a shocker, they're not the end of mankind like 'they' would like you to believe.
swine flu, bird flu - utter, utter bollocks making a lot of companies and their investors and shareholders an awful lot of money
all these diseases are still around. it's just **** me, what a shocker, they're not the end of mankind like 'they' would like you to believe.
swine flu, bird flu - utter, utter bollocks making a lot of companies and their investors and shareholders an awful lot of money
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I don't buy into this "It's all a conspiracy!!!" bollix tbh.....
Its a new version of the flu and we don't have any natural immunity to it.
Those are the facts......we did go to the Moon and Michael Jackson and Elvis are dead and not working in a chip shop in Hackney.
Me?, I'm going to use what ever technology is available to make me feel better if I get this and then I am going to get on with my life.
Its a flu virus and people are going to die and thats the reality. If you don't like it well its kind of tough. Making this out to be like the SARS/BSE non-event is pointless.
Its a new version of the flu and we don't have any natural immunity to it.
Those are the facts......we did go to the Moon and Michael Jackson and Elvis are dead and not working in a chip shop in Hackney.
Me?, I'm going to use what ever technology is available to make me feel better if I get this and then I am going to get on with my life.
Its a flu virus and people are going to die and thats the reality. If you don't like it well its kind of tough. Making this out to be like the SARS/BSE non-event is pointless.
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thanks for the grammatical check but im really not interested tbh as i can hardly be bothered on here much anymore. Im sure i can find 1 or 2 grammatical errors on your 77K+ posts. lol
Dr eh? Closer than you realise fella
well if you read the other threads you might have some.
Heres just 1
Swine flu vaccine rushed through safety checks - Times Online
Not to mention the vested interests the big shareholders have which, if you do abit of digging you can find.
Take it at your own risk, you have been warned.
Dr eh? Closer than you realise fella
well if you read the other threads you might have some.
Heres just 1
Swine flu vaccine rushed through safety checks - Times Online
Not to mention the vested interests the big shareholders have which, if you do abit of digging you can find.
Take it at your own risk, you have been warned.
Go ahead and try and find those two grammatical errors, especially anything that basic
So The Times publishes evidence that the health checks have been rushed through. Since you're a doctor (of sorts, naturally), you'll know that rushed through does NOT mean they have not been done thoroughly. Vaccines by their very nature (again, sorry if i'm preaching to the informed) are dirty drugs, there is no such thing as a 100% side-effect proof vaccine. But what the government WON'T do is release the vaccine until they're as sure as they can be that the potential problems have been minimised. But of course you'd know that.
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without going off on one, the fact that the elderly and those with less capability to fight infection are given far less help compared to the blanket bombing of leaflets and a wonder drug release gets on my **** a bit.
it's all about money, sorry but that's it.
29 deaths (and how many of that have been TOTALLY down to swine flu?) and we get this panic. bloody madness.
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At work there has been all sorts of planning for 'pandemics' for quite a while, ever since avian flu was going to kill us all. There was even a VP for Pandemics.
In spite of meticulous planning we didn't all die of flu. Not that time anyway.
In spite of meticulous planning we didn't all die of flu. Not that time anyway.
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What do you suggest the government do? sit back and do nothing? are you even able to suggest an alternative action the government should be taking? Are you even suggesting that vulnerable people shouldn't get vaccinated or use antiviral drugs because they are don't do anything/unsafe/only make shareholders richer? Its all very well telling people not to take it but how's that going to stop it spreading and getting more virulent and killing more people? Please share with us your wisdom and enlighten us.
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Do you even know the difference between avian and swine flu? Perhaps the meticulous planning ensured we didn't all die of flu!