Reading yeaterdays Mail and some of her comments about my lifestyle really got my back up. This is what she said.
she was talking about having chill out rooms in clubs BTW.
"Things like free running water and a rest room and a first aider should be there anyway. But the minutes you put a fancy label on it like "Chill out room" it advertises the fact that the club tolerates drug use. That is what I object to."
"I dont see why, if necessary to protect our younger generation, we cant shut down the whole club scene"
"The only way you will make club owners listen is to hit their pockets. A lot of them are behind the scenes in this drug dealing lark. Once you show them that you are not mucking about, then they will get the message"
Um, **** OFF!
This witch needs to get off her high horse IMO. Shut down the whole of the club scene? Why? IIRC her daughter died in her own home after taking E, not at a club or a rave. She didnt even die from the drug. IIRC she died from massive water intake afterwards. 12 litres if I recall.
Who the **** does she think she is? She makes out that each and every raver is a psychotic pill munching drug addict. Its not true in my case I always go 100% natural and I know a lot of other people who are the same. I dont think that she can talk when the fact reamins that it was HER DAUGHTER who was a pill muncher and not even a raver.
If that is not her fault then I dont know what is.
What is it? is she trying to make up for her lack of parental skills by trying to run everyone elses life? I'm willing to put money on the fact that she has never even been to a rave to see for herself. Yet she is the "anti drugs voice" cos she could'nt teach her on daughter to stay off the little fellas. Oh that makes her the perfect moral high ground from which to speak doesent it.
I doubt shes reading this but Its gonna make me feel better to say it.
Janet Betts, p1ss off. You havent got clue what you're talking about with regard to the rave scene so dont try make out you do.
Shut down the whole of the club scene. For ***** sake women get a grip.
I'm taking from a natural point of view which was more than her daughter was.
rant over.
astraboy.
All of the above is my opinion.

 

Quite a rant Astra
Dunno how "into" your tunes you are but BK did a tune on Nukleuz recently called "Funk Addiction"...

"As long as there are people, there will be addictions to drugs, alcohol, food, women, sports, even to arts and religions(and Scoobynet ). Moderation or pacing is the answer, and he who knows how to pace himself can win any race. Addictions cannot be outlawed and laws that cannot be enforced make a mockery of justice. Prohibition only raised the price of alcohol to the joy of the bootleggers. The outlawing of gambling fills the pockets of the illegal bookmakers. The outlawing of drug selling enriches the dopedealers and forces the addict into crimes, but, dopedealing and the crimes that go with it can be eliminated in one drastic step. The health education and welfare department should buy and package the most popular drugs and sell them, without profit, to pharmacies to be retailed, for £1, with a label clearly indicating what the drug will do to the purchaser, when insanity will start and which dosage will be fatal. This £1 package, with its explanatory label, will first put drugdealers out of business overnight. Second, promptly reduce crime. Third, eliminate psychiatric double-talk. Fourth, disgust and scare potential drug users. By making drugs available for £1, one can separate the addict from the dealer and at the same time, separate weaklings from men with self-control."
Paul

 

I think all drugs should be legal and they'd be nice and cheap so all the ****ing smackheads can kill themselves as they are the scum of the earth.

 

What I disagree with is this whole tolerance situation. Enforcing clubs to provide drug user facilities, provide water, first aid etc. FFS its illegal - next you will be providing a hot meal and a pint for car thieves.

I have no issue with people taking drugs in their own home etc, but catering for drug users in public venues is a step too far IMHO.

 

On the odd occasion that I have been to 'rave' clubs (at my age I should really know better), I have appreciated the chill out rooms for what they are, a place to relax, cool down and chill in an ambient area, more often than not I need to drink water as dehydration is a natural bodily reaction to excessive amounts of alcohol and dancing like a complete **** in a hot enviroment.
I have never knowingly partaken of any form of recreational chemical, mainly from being wary of what it has been cut with, rather than any moral stance, and I resent the implication that because I happen to like the type of music played at these clubs I am some kind of pill popping smackhead.

P.S. I bet Janet Betts has been pi55ed out of her face more than once, and it has been shown that alcohol causes more physical and mental damage than most other intoxicants, bar tobacco.

 

all addicting substances should be banned, and destroyed, includes ciggs and alcohol. the world would be a better place.

 

at the last post! Let's ban fast cars and all live in mud huts.
Seriously though the whole Betts thing is a load of bollox anyway. Did i force her to take a pill all those years ago NO I DIDN'T. Also this week we had the pics of some sad case who died 2 years ago shooting up heroin, my message to her family is TOUGH, if people are stupid enough to sit on their own and pump that **** into themselves then i have no sympathy for them whatsoever.
Why not show the horrific tragedies which happen daily due to alcohol, OH that's right the government collect taxes from that so lets turn a blind eye.
I have no hesitation in saying that i did the clubbing thing to the full for 8 years and enjoyed every minute of it (bar 1 night).
I was aware of the slim risks involved and took them, i never needed medical assistance, never stole , held down job and am still here to look back with fondness on the times.
It's a bit like the car jacking thing, did i sell the Scoob , did i ****.
I know that AB's original point has been lost and that many people do it naturally and have ever right to distance themselves from the illegal side of clubbing.
I realise there is a little contradiction in my post but i draw a huge difference between typical clubbers and crack heads.

 

"who the **** does she thinks she is?"

She someone who lost her daughter,so i think she can be forgiven some emotion ffs!

Drugs will always have a venomous anti-campaign,and she at least has a REASON to feel the way she does,rather than the do-gooding-bible bashing-museli-eating tw@ts who live in that strange place "middle England".

You can feed those idjits to the lions,but anyone who has lost a daughter has little life left,so her outburst for me is understandable.

 

"I'm taking from a natural point of view which was more than her daughter was."

sorry to isolate that Astraboy,but I haven't a clue what you mean by it.

Have you got kids? If so take a look at your fave pic,then imagine him/her not being there.Then I hope you will understand.

I'm not a fukcing anti-druggie either,I just think you are being un-duly harsh.

imo,of course,thats my "rant" over

 

ChristianR
What are you....a Budhist Monk?
Paul

 

I think that AB meant he enjoys his clubbing without drugs, but i'm hesitant about speaking for someone else.
I don't see why the Bett's are given so much publicity, after all their lose is just that. We all take risks in life and sometimes sh!te happens. Do i feel the need to preach about those i have lost due to driving or those who die through alcohol, no i don't.

 

If it holds no interest to you than its worthless talking about it.As it happens,it holds no interest to me either.I'm just expressing an opinion,she lost a daughter,so I can't bring myself to get wound up about her.

I can get wound up about interfering do-gooders,just as anyone can.She just has my sympathy,but obviously not yours.So be it.

You know damn well she wont stop clubbing so why get worked up? Let her have her rant,her and her husband may well have contributed to these "chill out" rooms and who knows Astraboy may end in one and may well live to tell the tale thanks to the water contained in it!

pointless arguement,I'm off

 

For the record I have never taken drugs. Not even puff. Going natural is a term where no illegal substances are taken when you go raving. I have gone natural to evey rave I have been to since I started raving back in 99. If we are talking beer, Vodka, Caffiene tablets and Lukozade then thats a different matter
astraboy.

 

The trouble that clubs have with drug users taking whatever crap they do take in clubs will always be there.

Clubs need to acknowledge this, be aware of the dangers and able to react accordingly. This I feel is a big step forward.

I am an asthmatic, I enjoy clubbing, but one night at a local nightclub a severe asthma attack struck me out of the blue. It was only because one of the bouncers was asthmatic also that he was able to help me till an ambulance arrived.

First aiders have been needed for a while, not just to deal with the idiots who choose to spoil things and use drugs. But also to deal with people with medical problems that may out of the blue affect them, like asthmatics, diabetics etc, etc. We also want to enjoy ourselves!!!

Chill out rooms have been jaded by the use of drugs in a club. For me, they are great to be able to come out of the main dance rooms to cool down and re-hydrate myself. I rarely drink alcohol at a nightclub, preferring to enjoy the music and atmosphere unaided.

With respect to drug taking and trying to prevent it, more education is needed at an early age. But then again, isn;t a lot of it down to the individual?

I had very easy access to a range of drugs like cannabis, cocaine, ecstacy at the age of 14!!!!!. You name it, I could have asked around and obtained it. I didn't. I never wanted to even try it. I saw a friend die from use of ecstacy, I never wanted that to happen to me.

A lot of this boils down to the individual, not society. I could easily have succumb to peer pressure and taken some drugs, but I didn't. My choice, I said no.

Keep the clubs open, make them more aware and train the personnel to deal with incidents. This does not mean they are becoming soft, it means there is more chance of saving a life, no matter how unworthy some people think a drug user may be to save.

That's my opinion on the subject anyhow.

And a quick jibe to the police - if they spent a bit more time on the streets and less time catching speeding motorists, then maybe we would be a step closer to getting this problem under some sort of control.

Regards,

Michelle.

 

Every single drug should be de-criminalised and sold to the public on a comercial basis just like alchohol.

Making drugs illegal has done one thing, made criminals rich and masively increased crime to pay for the extortionate prices people have to pay to feed their habit.

Sell it, tax it and use that money to improve society rather than wasting time and money chasing the crimes caused by it being illegal.

If you allow yourself to become an abuser, just like with alchohol and cigarettes thats your responsibility.

The curent situation of some drugs being legal, some not is a nonsense. Prohibition never works and always makes organised criminals wealthy whilst the guy in the street suffers.

Only drug i am adicted to is speed, the kind of speed you get from driving, not the pills you can pop. I have never felt the need to try any illegal drug.

 

I like your view John and one that I would be interested to see if it could work.

One problem I can forsee with that kind of way forward would be the danger to children and vulnerable people like my sister who is a *high grade* Downs person, being able to have easy and legal access to things that they have no understanding about. My sister has no notion that drugs are dangerous to her and would possible, as a kid might, think that it is sherbert.

How would you prevent them having access to the drugs?

We all know that cigarettes and alcohol are sold by many retailers to under 16/18 year olds. There will still b a *black market* for drugs out there if they are too expensive.

It is a difficult one to decide what would be best.

 

Since when does drinking water and sitting away from the dance floor in any way indicate that you're on drugs? I like loud music and much as the next (wo)man but I couldn't stick it for 5 hours solid.

All the big clubs near me will spot search, some even stop every single person going in there. These places also have the best atmosphere and the best balance between a full-on dance floor and also somewhere pleasant to relax and chat.

As for closing the club scene? That'd push the parties as far underground as the bloody drugs are!

 

In answer to the original question, yes she should shut up after nearly 7 years.

Recently I have found statistics that show the risk is similar to fishing! If we assume that Ecstasy is taken on 25 million occasions a year (half a million a week), and that there are 5 Ecstasy-related deaths per year, then this compares favourably with 10 deaths related to fishing, which is done on 45 million occasions a year, and 12 deaths resulting from horse riding which is done on 40 million occasions. (Source: Government statistics in OPCS Monitor DH4 92/4).

 

 

It's quite dry, because we try to be scientific, but there are some FAQs under "Infopoint".

www.emcdda.org

 

I agree with JF - make it legal and let people do it they please.

However, when you consider that (depending on who you believe) anything upto 80% of crime is drug related, then certain agencies have a vested interest in keeping drugs illegal. When you also consider that tobacco and alcohol companies are some of the biggest corporate donators to political parties, you have to wonder whether certain people are seeing a different agenda.

While there is a huge financial reward for dealing and shipping this stuff, then there will always be someone prepared to take the risk.

Another interesting stat for you - estimated number of people in this country regularly taking ecstasy: 1.5 to 2 million. Average number of deaths per year - less than 50. On average in this country 250-300 people will die from a paracetamol overdose every year.

I dread to think what the annual death rates are for cigarettes and alcohol - so called 'legal' and therefore socially acceptable drugs.

Time for a government rethink.....

Chris

 

It's really quite simple Michelle. You have licenced premisies that sell these drugs to over 18's, just like you have with alchohol. Of course that means that some kids under 18 will still take the drugs illegaly, but in general society will benefit from this aproach.

You also back this up with an honest education programme in schools. We dont teach drug abuse and use facts in schools properly. The mantra that all drugs are bad is a nonsense, if that were the case why would 2 million people in the UK regularly take E and how many millions would use alchohol? If we educated kids on the facts behind drug and alchohol adiction and the damage they can do as well as the honest stats on this that has to be a positive thing and kids wont think they are being lied to. They are smarter than adults give them credit for.

As to your sister, i would say she is more at threat with the current system than she would be if there were licenced premises to buy from as the likelyhood of her being served (asuming a small dose of common sense is held by the salesperson) is fairly small. I doubt she is adicted to alchohol and is down the offlicence every night, i dont see any diference if there were premisises to buy drugs from.

The aproach of prohibition does not work. Never has, even with drugs like alchohol. Look how powerful the mafia in the USA becames because of prohibition of alchohol. The same is now the case for drugs.

There are vested interests in place and they are controlling what is even debated in the political parties. There has been some movement this weekend with the Liberal Democrats voting in their conference to make Canabils legal. Thats just pissing about though, someone needs the ***** to stand up and propose a complete end to prohibition and start accepting the facts that anyone who actually looks into this subject can see.

I am not holding my breath.

 

yeah 7 yrs is enough to get over your childs death,silly me.

But I take your point.

 

The other issue with closing down the club scene is this -

Although venue owners try to kerb substance abuse inside the club, they cannot stop people taking whatever OUTSIDE.

So, what's the answer?

Well, most clubbers go for a drink before hitting the club - best shut down all pubs and drinking establishments.

Okay, phew!!! that was a close one

Wait a minute, if they can't take their 'poison' out in a pub/club, they'll have to do it at home before they go out....

Hmm, this one's a little more tricky.....

Tell you what, let's make everybody live together. Oh. That's been done. It's called PRISON. Do prisons have a drugs problem? exactly.

I'm taking a sarcastic/light-hearted outlook on this.

My opinions on drugs are private, but although illegal, they are readily available and thousands of people take them each weekend.

If it's not your scene, steer clear.

Granted, there are the "what ifs" and "but people spike others" etc...

I didn't say I had the answers either............

just my 2p.

Dan

 

leah betts has died .
every club found with drugs in it should be shut!
wtf!
everyone has choice!
its the only difference between man and beast!
get over it

 

A couple of points:

1) Janet Betts has became a joke. Yeah her daughter died and that was a tragedy, but going into schools and telling kids not to take E....then telling them there more likely to be killed by a peanut is insane. She shoulda just handed the pills out herself.

2) Stupidity is the main factor in most E deaths - not MDMA. I started clubbin 7 years ago and pills were £10 each. That price has now dropped to £2 each and every week i see ppl who are completly monged due to over indulgence. The guy who was found dead outside gatecrasher a few weeks ago is believed to have necked 7.

Personally i think E should be downgraded to class B. If you cain it every weekend your gonna be in trouble but the same could be said for alcohol so whats the difference?

 

I'm gonna regret saying this but the drop in price was one of the worst things to ever happen. As said above over indulgence ain't good. I left the scene about a year ago partly due to the new culture of people getting completely fuct rather than being there mainly for the music. Also i'm gettin a tad long in the tooth now

 

Over indulgence on pills is bad but what is far worse is ppl going mental on ketamine and in particular - GHB.

 

turbo, couldn't agree more but will refrain from further comments.

 

John,

Your idea is very good.

Though as you know, the protection of my sister is the highest priority I have as she is very vunerable.

The worry I would have is with all these dugs now widely available, can you imagine the crime rate????
It would only take some ***** walking past just to jab her in the arm or ANYONE for that matter of fact and kill them.

I realise that there is always the issue of this happening a thte moment, but with legalised drugs this would be like making guns legal.

I am just trying to forssee all of the problems and see what solutions you can have.

But we both know John that any of the people in power would rather sit and do nothing than try to achieve a better Britain for us all

You should try becoming a politician, maybe we would finally see some action taken on various issues.