paulr

As a form of taxation VAT is notorious for hitting the lowest paid. Twelve years out of office, nothing seems to have changed though. Bear this in mind when you next vote.

Luminous

iTrader: (3)

Not good, but then what is a better option at the moment?

ronjeramy

iTrader: (1)

at least there being open about it unlike all the stealth taxes that labour have introduced. did you notice any difference when labour dropped the VAT? no, neither did i

corradoboy

I'd like to see a party suggesting higher import taxes to reduce our reliance on foreign manufacturing and also reduce the pollution from cargo shipping, helping steer us towards localised production and manufacturing of goods and food to increase jobs in the country and reduce the haemorrhage of money out. Of course, the poor can't offer a politician a lucrative executive position with attractive salary after leaving office like billionaire industrialists and shipping magnates can

boxst

Whoever gets in power has to raise taxes. As labour are almost guaranteed to lose the election, they should start doing it now so that the next government isn't required to make themselves extremely unpopular.

As if of course...

Steve

SunnySideUp

Typical Tories - hit the poor!!

What they should do is squeeze the rich til the pips pop!! But, of course they won't - they are the Party for the Rich ... remember that when you mark your 'X'.

warrenm2

You have no idea about economics Im afraid. Try some Ricardo David Ricardo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

warrenm2

You also have no idea of economics - try Regus joins tax exodus from UK - Telegraph

Not to mention the INCREASE in marginal taxation of the poorest under Labour, the reduction in social mobility, and the rise in crime (which disproportional effects the poor - rich people just move or have better security)

GlesgaKiss

As opposed to New Labour, the party for themselves.

jods

The drop in VAT from 17.5% to 15.0% made **** all difference to me.
A rise from 17.5% to 20.0% will make the same kind of difference - ie **** all.

Labour is a disgrace - they have royally screwed us all. Poor / Wealthy and everyone inbetween (Except sponging scumbags who pop chavs out at every opportunity and demand housing / feeding / entertaining)

I'm NOT going to vote BNP but we need a Government that is going to take the same kind of stance to immigration as Australia / Canada / USA.

If you bring nothing to the party then you can **** off.

SunnySideUp

Interesting that, as the Tories start releasing their policies, they will seem a whole lot LESS electable ..... remember who it was who stopped the Recession!!

LABOUR!!

Brown will go down in the History Books as the man who saved the western banking system and, yes, it has to be said - the whole economic system!

jods

Pete - You really are a fool aren't you.

TurboKitty

I'd like to see a party cut down on what they need to wring from their cash cows by pledging to cut inefficiency, bureaucracy, waste and excess and then ACTUALLY DOING IT!

The way they pay themselves, furnish their offices and provide for themselves at the massive expense of those who put them in power goes to show the contempt they have for 'ordinary' people. It disgusts me.

If they are expected to represent the general population then they should understand the general population, rather than setting themselves so far above that they are totally out of touch.

TurboKitty

Oh, Brown will go down in history all right... but I don't think it's going to be as SuperPM with his pants outside his trousers and cape flapping (thankfully)!

corradoboy

If I may suggest a cap on the amount of benefits payable to the individual, and child benefits only paid for the first two children born of any one female (existing children continue to receive until exempt). That would get rid of that generation of baby-making lazy scroungers like that Lizzie Bardsley cow and her idle husband. Four kids and never worked a day yet receiving £37.5k a year to sit on her fat @r$£ smoking and drinking. Also, no benefits for immigrants until they have paid into the system for a number of years. A single criminal conviction sees them expelled on completion of their sentence. Only emergency life-saving care on the NHS for immigrants/tourists unless adequate insurance is in place, or an agreement with the government or health service of the relevant country is established.

gpssti4

iTrader: (6)

Totally agree - even my wife agrees. When she was out of work she didn't claim - even though she was entitled to!

Little harsh as they're paying for it -assuming that they are working.

StickyMicky

You will notice the difference from 15% to 20%

For the simple fact that a lot of business`s never even dropped the prices when the 15% came into force, most places were due to actually RAISE prices anyway due to increased costs, so rather then drop them for 15% and then raise them back up due to increased costs, they held steady.

These business`s will no doubt be raising the prices up 5% (maybe more) when the 20% thing comes into effect.

The stupid thing is, most people should have known that dropping the Vat% down, was going to be replaced with an %increase afterwards to pay for it, but what we will see, is everybody winging because a loaf of bread has went up again.

IIRC when the cut was announced it was already speculated that the increase afterwards would be 20% anyway, so its not really news to me ?

r32

Up to now all they've done is not ruled out any increase, as have new labia. In fact it is in the plan should (heaven forbid) new labia get re-elected.
I dont think any one has any idea just how bad the economy and the countrys finances are, it will only become apparent after the next election when another party get to see the books. It would be stupid of any party to rule anything out at this stage. What is certain is that this Government is building up a huge debt that sadly we all own and some how we will have to pay back. Another 50 million quantative easing printed pounds just added to that debt.

Leslie

Isn't it funny how when the activists are shown that the Conservatives have denied that they intend to increase VAT to 20% that they still continue to proclaim the same accusation and then come up with an extra load of drivel on top.

It just goes to show that that they have scraped the barrel dry when it comes to defending their incompetent and self seeking heroes who have done their best to destroy this country and are intending to hand it to the Eu federation lock stock and barrel!

Les

jonc

and Labour more so..

Broken Promises

Leslie

[quote=jonc;8873285]That goes on for a bit!

Les

^Qwerty^

And when will either of the two main parties start to have a serious discussion about building a raft of new nuclear power stations? It's got to happen, but maybe if we stand there with our fingers in our ears going, "la la la la la" the issue will go away.......

SunnySideUp

Were YOU the secret, as yet unnamed, lover of Maggie Thatcher?

Snazy

lol I love these thread, keep going

*sits back and observes

Leslie

I do have standards Pete! You are closer to her age anyway.

Les

Leslie

Feel free to pitch in Snazy!

Les

Snazy

lol na that was my input mate, not really interested in getting into yet another political bash that just touts spun figures, rambles on about inherited issues, and moans that Maggie ruined the world

Play nicely now, and lets see how many genuine figures get posted.

Simon 69

I wouldnt be surprised to se the shower of b*stards raise the rate of VAT to 20% in the new year! The EU limit of 17.5% is long gone and they did say that wed have to pay back our gift at a later date. I suspect that firms who did not pass the meagre savings on will suffer when they pass on a 5% increase, but that will serve them right.