A good reason for the dealth penalty..
11 August 2009, 06:23 PM
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I knew it would be this from reading the thread title. There are no words for the three of them. Hopefully everyday for the rest of their lives will be a living hell. 
11 August 2009, 06:27 PM
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I hear that the mother may be getting a new identity , stylist and personal trainer when she is released. James Bulger case all over again. Punish then reward the killers. Got to love the UK. Why should these murderers get protection when the poor child never did.
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11 August 2009, 06:32 PM
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They'll get done in surely now the pictures are out? As spacktards go they are fairly distinctive, and will be spotted sooner or later.
Another heinous FAIL from the UK justice system.
Another heinous FAIL from the UK justice system.
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11 August 2009, 06:40 PM
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Hopefully they will get f*cked over in jail.If they are released and given new identities someone somewhere will grass them up because of the nature of the crime.Then proper justice will be done.
F*ucking sick scum,words fail me how to describe these b*stards
F*ucking sick scum,words fail me how to describe these b*stards
11 August 2009, 07:52 PM
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and a bad one
Sean Hodgson: latest in a long line of miscarriages of justice - Telegraph
any supporter of the death penalty has to accept that totally innocent men and women will be hanged
Sean Hodgson: latest in a long line of miscarriages of justice - Telegraph
any supporter of the death penalty has to accept that totally innocent men and women will be hanged
11 August 2009, 08:12 PM
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Maybe not death then, just a long slow gruesome torture that brings them to within an inch of their life (Tarantino Hostel stylie). That way if there does ever prove to be a mistaken verdict their life (what's left of it) can be spared (no smoke without fire afterall). 
and a bad one
Sean Hodgson: latest in a long line of miscarriages of justice - Telegraph
any supporter of the death penalty has to accept that totally innocent men and women will be hanged
Sean Hodgson: latest in a long line of miscarriages of justice - Telegraph
any supporter of the death penalty has to accept that totally innocent men and women will be hanged
11 August 2009, 08:17 PM
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I hope they rot in hell, lets hope someone tracks them down if they are ever released and tourtures them in a similar way, thats if they are lucky enough to not get done in prison.
11 August 2009, 08:56 PM
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and a bad one
Sean Hodgson: latest in a long line of miscarriages of justice - Telegraph
any supporter of the death penalty has to accept that totally innocent men and women will be hanged
Sean Hodgson: latest in a long line of miscarriages of justice - Telegraph
any supporter of the death penalty has to accept that totally innocent men and women will be hanged
In a case like this were its clear cut I dont think there should be any doubt that the three involved should be "removed" from society.
11 August 2009, 09:00 PM
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There are lot of details being released today. I have just read a couple of very detailed articles. As the father of two boys under 4, one of which is now the same age a Baby P, with similar blonde hair I have to confess the details made me weep.
I cannot understand how anyone can be so lost as to slice the fingertips off a young toddler with a craft knife, or pull his fingernails off with pliers. He was rarely fed and rarely cleaned. Living in a flea infested house amongst the remains of rabbits and mice that were chopped up and fed to a snake.
There is a rumour that he was trained to give a **** salute to lodger Jason Owen, who when he wasn't torturing Baby P was torturing his brother, Baby P's stepfather.
The level of violence, abuse and aggression in these peoples lives is beyond any sense of normality. It is impossible to believe anyone here will have any reference to what was happening in that group of people. We could never understand, we can only look on in horror and hope, perhaps vainly, that this can never happen again.
I cannot understand how anyone can be so lost as to slice the fingertips off a young toddler with a craft knife, or pull his fingernails off with pliers. He was rarely fed and rarely cleaned. Living in a flea infested house amongst the remains of rabbits and mice that were chopped up and fed to a snake.
There is a rumour that he was trained to give a **** salute to lodger Jason Owen, who when he wasn't torturing Baby P was torturing his brother, Baby P's stepfather.
The level of violence, abuse and aggression in these peoples lives is beyond any sense of normality. It is impossible to believe anyone here will have any reference to what was happening in that group of people. We could never understand, we can only look on in horror and hope, perhaps vainly, that this can never happen again.
11 August 2009, 09:10 PM
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My boy was baby P's age when the news broke about his death. Just reading Trouts post is just too upsetting, I think I'll give the articles a miss.
11 August 2009, 09:41 PM
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I hear that the mother may be getting a new identity , stylist and personal trainer when she is released. James Bulger case all over again. Punish then reward the killers. Got to love the UK. Why should these murderers get protection when the poor child never did.
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I know it's easy to say but I really would have no qualms in pulling the trigger on those 3, the Bulger killers and Huntley if allowed to do so to rid society of sick sick monsters who have no right to life.
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12 August 2009, 01:08 PM
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Do you really think so? Who incarcerated recently (for murder) has been found innocent after the event? I'm not aware of any. Even if there are a few, it's such a small risk so as to be insignificant ie don't worry about it / small price to pay etc.
Don't want to open up a DNA evidence discussion but if DNA evidence is added to other evidence (not used on it's own) then it's a solid case ... guilty!
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Edit - just read article, why oh why is tax payers money wasted changing the identity of a convicted crim. Their crime, their responsibility so they should deal with what happens upon release
Don't want to open up a DNA evidence discussion but if DNA evidence is added to other evidence (not used on it's own) then it's a solid case ... guilty!
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Edit - just read article, why oh why is tax payers money wasted changing the identity of a convicted crim. Their crime, their responsibility so they should deal with what happens upon release
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12 August 2009, 01:37 PM
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but in the meantime
Angela Cannings - 2002 -- wrongly convicted of Murdering her children
Sally Clark -1999 -- wrongly convicted of Murdering her children
Messrs O'Brien, Sherwood and Hall - 1988 wrongly convicted of Murder
but as you say a risk you think worth it!!!!
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12 August 2009, 02:29 PM
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Can't find many stats on how many peeps are in prison for murder other than there were 3500 in 2003 
On that basis though you've found 5 people who had their conviction overturned which = 0.14% of the murder population. Not that high is it?
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On that basis though you've found 5 people who had their conviction overturned which = 0.14% of the murder population. Not that high is it?
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12 August 2009, 02:54 PM
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The difference is the examples you give were never clear cut, they weren't caught in the act so to speak. Ian Huntley, Mira Hindley, Liam Brady, The Bulger killers were and are all clear cut cases.
I know this has been raised before in having a two tier guilty verdict of guilty and really guilty but the fact is a woman accused of murdering her children with no proof other than they all died inexplicably in her care and someone like Huntley who brutally murdered 2 little girls are not comparable in terms of evidence and how clear cut they are.
If someone is caught in the act and it is undeniable what they have done then there is no risk of hanging the wrong person.
I know this has been raised before in having a two tier guilty verdict of guilty and really guilty but the fact is a woman accused of murdering her children with no proof other than they all died inexplicably in her care and someone like Huntley who brutally murdered 2 little girls are not comparable in terms of evidence and how clear cut they are.
If someone is caught in the act and it is undeniable what they have done then there is no risk of hanging the wrong person.
12 August 2009, 04:46 PM
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But the experts in the trials of Angela Cannings and Sally Clark were quite clear at the time that the mothers had caused their chilrens death by abusive behaviour. Their testimonies were considered by the juries, who agreed and convicted.
So at the time those mothers were brutal killers that had clear evidence laid against them. Again, at the time, they were just as brutal killers as Baby Peter's mother.
So at the time those mothers were brutal killers that had clear evidence laid against them. Again, at the time, they were just as brutal killers as Baby Peter's mother.
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12 August 2009, 08:47 PM
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Just as brutal? Please can you post links to the reports that stated injuries to the children in those cases that are even remotely close to what Baby P suffered? From what I remember those children didn't have any injuries and so not remotely close to the Baby P case.
12 August 2009, 09:33 PM
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The power is there to bring back the Death penalty for a one off extreme case, it just needs someone at the top with the ***** to activate it.
Otherwise i hope each of them get tortured while in prison. Its all we can hope for. I dont think i have ever wanted another human being to die, now i find myself wanting that fate for 3 of them. That said, i dont know if they are human.
Otherwise i hope each of them get tortured while in prison. Its all we can hope for. I dont think i have ever wanted another human being to die, now i find myself wanting that fate for 3 of them. That said, i dont know if they are human.
13 August 2009, 11:35 AM
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Just as brutal? Please can you post links to the reports that stated injuries to the children in those cases that are even remotely close to what Baby P suffered? From what I remember those children didn't have any injuries and so not remotely close to the Baby P case.
Granted the sadistic levels in Baby P's case are worse, but to call for all three women to be hanged because of their convictions would have resulted in two innocent mothers being killed. Unless you are advocating some sort of hang/don't hang decision on how brutal a killing was.
13 August 2009, 11:40 AM
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all this "this murder of a kid is worse than that murder of a kid" is like some warped
Monty Python sketch
guilty of child murder is guilty of child murder -- full stop -- if it incurs the death penalty then fine
but some people just can't grasp how the Justice system works -- not perfect, but mob rule otherwise
but why can't people admit that innocent people will be hanged -- fairly straight forward and pretty common in the US
Monty Python sketch
guilty of child murder is guilty of child murder -- full stop -- if it incurs the death penalty then fine
but some people just can't grasp how the Justice system works -- not perfect, but mob rule otherwise
but why can't people admit that innocent people will be hanged -- fairly straight forward and pretty common in the US
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13 August 2009, 11:47 AM
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Still way too high when you are taking people lives. How willing would you be to support the death penalty if you were part of this 0.14%?
13 August 2009, 12:16 PM
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i think what would be a good solution is everyone who votes for it, puts their name into a ballot -- and when a miscarriage of justice occurs (which it will) and a totally innocent person is hung
a random slection is drawn from the ballot (say 1 in 50 people) -- and they are then hung, and as some would be undoubtly guilty of something it would tackle that "no smoke without fire" rubbish
a random slection is drawn from the ballot (say 1 in 50 people) -- and they are then hung, and as some would be undoubtly guilty of something it would tackle that "no smoke without fire" rubbish
13 August 2009, 01:38 PM
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Well professional opinions are not a safe way to convict someone as proved by the 2 cases. You need evidence to convict someone as in Baby P's case, not convict someone because of what people 'think' happened no matter who they are. If you can't prove someone did something then they can not be found guilty. Another reason why the law is an ar$e in this country.