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We should be allowed referenda like the Swiss are...

Swiss voters back minaret construction ban - Europe, World - The Independent

Trout

iTrader: (1)

Just goes to show the dangers of allowing people to vote in a democracy!

Referendae are a failure of true democracy!

Luan Pra bang

Always took the swiss for being a bunch of closet ****'s anyway, hardly a surprising vote. It is however their right to do as they like in their own country. Just a sad reflection on many of them that in their eyes a Muslim will never be part of their country and will always be seen as an intruder. I would expect a nation that gave so much support to the **** party would be a little more careful in its world image though.

hodgy0_2

I don't think they give a flying fvck to be honest

they go by the maxim that

"they're are no golden rules, those that have the gold make the rules"

cster

I guess one potential danger might be the persecution of minorities.
You may know of the sort of thing - Jews in German speaking countries and so on.

Geezer

Indeed, but they still are the only real democracy!

If that's what the majority want though........

Geezer

GC8

Perhaps they wondered what chance theyd have of building a Lutheran church in Mecca?

richiewong

Thought this was going to be about Christmas lights

warrenm2

Gosh yes - much better to have an elite telling the people what to do and think instead eh? Totalitarianism FTW!

Idiot!

Dingdongler

Right on!

I've travelled all around the world including the middle east and I have never seen a church. I'm fairly sure there are no christians or churches in any muslim countries.

Some don't even have a McDonalds ffs!

GC8

3/10. You should have stayed at home and continued your education.

Leslie

Do you really think that when the establishment having got itself elected on a series of promises which were then conveniently forgotten then carries on to enter the country into an illegal war, once again ignoring the enormous groundswell of public opinion which was so overwhelmingly demonstrated at the time.

Do you think it demonstrates democracy to break the promise of a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty which is more accurately described as an enormous step towards federation telling us the lies that it was only to facilitate the Eu when in fact it was giving so much extra power to that corrupt organisation. It is in fact following Jean Monnet's advice in 1947 to con the Eu countries into federation against their will? When that "treaty" was produced there was even advice from some of those associated with it that all the countries should have a referendum at the time because of the distance it goes towards complete federation. Do we really want to lose our country?

When a government ignores or breaks it's promises given before an election, ignores the obvious wishes of the electorate over matter which were not extant before the election, then the only way to achieve any kind of democracy is to have a referendum. At least Ted Heath allowed us that even though we were conned over the eventual direction having joined the Common Market at the time.

Finally Trout, when federated to the unelected Eu, tell us what kind of democracy will this country be allowed to have!

Les

hodgy0_2

Turkey is a Muslim country -- it also has a long history of Christianity and many Christian churches

what is certain is that 20 thousand years from now history will lump Judaism, Christianity and Islam into one monotheistic religion.

just with some minor argument over prophets

Dingdongler

Why you being like that? I know you are probably well educated to a high level, but there is no need for that.

I'm agreeing WITH your previous post, that muslims don't allow churches or the practice of christianity. Thats why there are NO churches in muslim countries. If thats not the case that makes YOUR previous post incorrect, and perhaps exposes you for the illiterate inbred fool you are

Leslie

Do you really think they will be minor arguments?

Les

Petem95

Well done the Swiss

Democracy in action. If only we were given such choices, and didn't have the decisions forced upon us.

Martin2005

This is utter bollox Dave and you know it...... 1930's Germany anyone?????

GC8

Hmmm...The point troll, is that whilst christian churches do exist in muslim countries, theyre hardly welcomed. Initially I used Pakistan as an example, but changed that to Saudi Arabia to make the point clearer and less open to political dogma.

Try building a church steeple in N.Pakistan. You cant expect something that your 'own' state wont give to others.

Nice to have you back by the way: now f*ck off.

warrenm2

Godwins Law.....

GC8

Fascist!

cster

I see you wish to measure up the Swiss in this instance with the folk in N(orth?)Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.
Talk about a self defeating argument.
I think you have encapsulated the whole subject superbly.

cster

Gee, why didn't I think of that

Janspeed

iTrader: (1)

You might be happy, but even a "regular" european is looked at weirdly by the Swiss.

They have issues.

Luan Pra bang

I think the nation that supplied the **** party with the hard currency necesary to wage war on most of the world and carry out the final solution, has a lot more than issues.
Also GC8 you are a living example of why stupid people should not be allowed to vote.
There are christian churches in Iran Pakistan UAE Egypt Tunisia Turkey Algeria Morocco Bahrain Indonesia Iraq Jordan Kuwait Libya Syria and Quatar. In fact Saudi is the only muslim country I know of that does not have a church and the first is being talked about right now. However GC8 I would not want to let reality get in the way of a useful prejudice.

Martin2005

Yes of course I believe in democracy, I believe in the large part that you elect a government to make decisions. Referendum should be saved for real issues.

This is just a recipe for the majority to oppress the minority.

Imagine if we had a referendum in this country into whether noisy polluting Subarus should be banned, and the YES campaign won, how good would you feel about democracy then?

Let's have a referendum on whether we should pay tax, or have to go to work.......

hodgy0_2

damn -- and i just got Turkey

oh google of blessed information finding, don't fail me know -- as Jake Elwood said in the Blues Brothers

astraboy

He's making a comparison between the rising persecution of the jews and Switzerland basically getting more robust on their planning laws.

He's also talking shoite

The laws that were passed in pre war germany which came down on the jews had precisely zero referendums and everything to do with a facist government with a hidden agenda.

They were very good at propaganda. They preyed on German patriotism to encourage the mindset that "pure blood" was the best sort of german and at the same time, bombarded the cinemas (the widest available public medium of the time) with "scientific" films about how the jews were racially subhuman, using actors posing as scientists to lend credibility to their claims.

A few months later they'd bring in the nuremberg laws which basically did away with all jewish civil rights in a single stroke, further restricting their freedoms which were already highly restrictive. By this time, the brainwashing was so effective only a tiny minority disagreed. Of course the Jews couldnt disagree, by this time, they couldnt even vote.

The final straw was when a jewish lad killed a highly respected German diplomat. The **** party seized upon this and "the night of broken glass" took place. The Reality was the SS on the biggest rampage of their entire history, but once again, was spun and propagandised as honest german citizens venting their anger.

After that, it was all over bar the rounding up and the handing out the directions to auschwitz.

You should try reading some history books mate, not once in the persecution and extermination of the jews was public asked to vote in a referendum on their treatment. Their opinion was the only thing that mattered and that was poisoned by arguably the most intensive propaganda campaign in the history of mankind.

If you think that's what has happened in Switzerland in the last few days then you need your head looking at.
astraboy.