RobJenks

Have a read of this article.
Monsters of the River Kwai: One British POW tells his horrifying story | Mail Online



This nation should never be forgiven.

Their conduct was even worse to Asian captives.

Trout

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What? Like a Subaru?

scooby-tc

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Steve vRS

Sadly, if you look back in any nation's history, there are atrocities.

I agree, they should not be forgotten but let those countries without sin cast the first stone as well.

Jallianwala Bagh massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Steve

J4CKO

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I dont think we can hold current Japanese people responsible for things their grandfathers did, however horrific, its like the thing a vouple of years ago where some black people were requesting compensation and apologies for the slave trade, things like that should not be forgotten so it doesnt happen again but I am not happy to pay for someones new telly because their great great grandad was enslaved by a white bloke.

Gordo

Shouldn't you have posted this 70 years ago?

stilover

This is the reason my Gran hated the Japanese. And nearly blew a gasket when I bought a Subaru.

dunx

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My old dear did the same when I bought a VW in the nineties...

My old man would have if he'd been alive to see me buy an Impreza later the same decade.

R.I.P.

dunx

P.S. Both "suffered" during WW2, I suppose I should avoid "muslim" cars for the same reason

Skoobie Dhu

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YouTube - BMWs - Jack Dee Live at the Apollo - BBC stand up comedy

jonc

Well then it makes sense that *you* should hang your head in shame for this atrocity and consider this before buying anything British made.
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worley

My father worked at Chrysler, Coventry in the late 60's; The managment had to bring in security to stop the workers spitting at Japanese visitors.

This was a fall-back to the treatment during the war.


Nik

subarutim

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jesus people are ignorant!

ALi-B

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Not much tuff is made in Japan these days anyway; Its all made in China - even the Japanese branded products.

Now...there's another can of worms with their own responsibility for human atrocities.

ScoobyWon't

Welcome to ScoobyNet

spray1974

Ironic or maybe moronic could also be used here too, coming on a Subaru forum and posting this tosh cant even write it of as a belly rumble seeing he actually typed this tripe...

The War finished before you were probably born get over it. Suppose you dont buy German either...

Just to name a few.
Subaru, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Honda, Isuzu, Toyota, Lexus, Suzuki, Yamaha, JVC, Kenwood, Canon, Casio, NEC, Fujitsu, Hitachi, Nikon, Panasonic, Toshiba, TDK, Sony, Sanyo, Sharp, Clarion.

You don't have any of the above products? Don't believe you....

Simon C

Amen to that.

In Belaruse there is a saying "keep 1 eye on the past and your blind in 1 eye. Keep both eyes on the past and your blind in both eyes"

ScoobyWon't

There's an old saying where I'm from.




But it's not relevant to this topic.

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The postwar photographs that British authorities tried to keep hidden | Politics | The Guardian

Of Patriots and Scoundrels


Of course we would never stoop so low

gallois

war is a terrible thing, and terrible things happen.

shooter007

my father was in changi and so worked on the death railway but even he bought nissans in is day dont think he would ever forgive and forget but the persons who commited the atrocities not the nation he was more angry at the army seeming not to care when he was repatriated and didnt want is medals for forty odd years ask the americans what they did with japanese scientists who commited horrors using prisoners of war wasnt just mengler

Leslie

It is a truly awful story and the accounts of the *****' inhuman behaviour are also pretty difficult to take in when you read about what both of those two races were capable of doing.

It can only be put down as shameful behaviour by any stretch of the imagination and should always be on the conciences of both of those nations!

Just imagine how you would feel personally to see either your baby murdered with a rifle butt, or a fellow prisoner kneeling and being beheaded with a sword for no good reason!

How can you ever justify or live down such inhumanity by members of your own country?

Les

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Archive pictures of German prisoners held by the British following the second world war. Photographs: Martin Argles

For almost 60 years, the evidence of Britain's clandestine torture programme in postwar Germany has lain hidden in the government's files. Harrowing photographs of young men who had survived being systematically starved, as well as beaten, deprived of sleep and exposed to extreme cold, were considered too shocking to be seen.
As one minister of the day wrote, as few people as possible should be aware that British authorities had treated prisoners "in a manner reminiscent of the German concentration camps".
Many other photographs known to have been taken have vanished from the archives, and even this year some government officials were arguing that none should be published.
The pictures show suspected communists who were tortured in an attempt to gather information about Soviet military intentions and intelligence methods at a time when some British officials were convinced that a third world war was only months away.
Others interrogated at the same prison, at Bad Nenndorf, near Hanover, included *****, prominent German industrialists of the Hitler era, and former members of the SS.
At least two men suspected of being communists were starved to death, at least one was beaten to death, others suffered serious illness or injuries, and many lost toes to frostbite.
The appalling treatment of the 372 men and 44 women who were interrogated at Bad Nenndorf between 1945 and 1947 are detailed in a report by a Scotland Yard detective, Inspector Tom Hayward. He had been called in by senior army officers to investigate the mistreatment of inmates, partly as a result of the evidence provided by these photographs.
Insp Hayward's report remained secret until last December, when the Guardian secured its release under the Freedom of Information Act. The photographs seen here were removed before the Foreign Office released the report, apparently because the Ministry of Defence did not wish them to be published. That decision was reversed last week, following an appeal by the Guardian.
One of the men photographed, Gerhard Menzel, 23, a student, was arrested by British intelligence officers in Hamburg in June 1946. He had fallen under suspicion because he was believed to have travelled to the British-controlled zone of Germany from Omsk in Siberia, where he had been a prisoner of war. His weight, measured several weeks after his arrest at 10st 3lb, had fallen to 7st 10lb by the time he was transferred from Bad Nenndorf to a British-run internment camp eight months later.
In the meantime, he told Hayward, his hands had been chained behind his back for up to 16 days at a time, periods during which he was repeatedly punched in the face. He had also been held in a bare, freezing cell for up to two weeks at a time and doused in cold water every 30 minutes from 4.30am until midnight, a practice the detective discovered to have been common.
A doctor at the internment camp reported that Mr Menzel was one of a group of 12 inmates transferred from Bad Nenndorf, all emaciated and dressed in rags. Previous arrivals had also been half-starved. Some had facial scars, apparently the result of beatings. A few had scars on their shins, said to be the result of torture with shin screws which had been retrieved from a Gestapo prison at Hamburg.
Mr Menzel "was only skin and bones," the doctor wrote. "He could neither walk nor stand up without assistance, and could only speak with difficulty because his tongue and lips were swollen and broken open.
"It was impossible to take his body temperature because it was not higher than 35 degrees Celsius and the thermometer only starts at 35."
The prisoner was also confused, anxious and suffering memory loss, his lungs were badly infected and his blood pressure was dangerously low. Only after being washed, fed and heated with lamps could his body temperature be raised to 36.3C, but the doctor feared his chances of survival were slim.
Another man pictured, Heinz Biedermann, 20, a clerk, had been arrested in October 1946 because he was in the British zone, while his father, who lived at Stendal in the Russian zone, had been identified as "an ardent communist". By the time he was transferred from Bad Nenndorf four months later his weight had fallen from 11st 3lb to 7st 12lb. He said he had been held in solitary confinement for much of the time, threatened with execution, and forced to live and sleep in sub-zero temperatures while barely clothed.
One British army guard told Inspector Hayward that Mr Biedermann had "wasted like a candle" during his imprisonment. Another, a private in the Essex Regiment, told the detective that he complained that he and his comrades were behaving as badly as Germans. "I became very unpopular after this ... the sergeant appeared to take a poor view of my remarks."
On Mr Biedermann's transfer to the internment camp, an officer at Bad Nenndorf requested he be detained "for an adequate time" to prevent him giving the Soviets "detailed information on this centre and methods of interrogation".
Foreign Office records show that the navy officer commanding the internment camp, Captain Arthur Curtis, was so shocked by the condition of the men being sent to him that he ordered these photographs be taken to support his complaints about the treatment of these "living skeletons". Photographs of several other prisoners, taken at the same time, appear to have vanished from the Foreign Office files.
On the other side of the British zone, meanwhile, a Royal Artillery officer was complaining about the state of Bad Nenndorf inmates who were being dumped from a truck at the entrance to a military hospital. Some weighed little more than six stones, and two died shortly after their arrival.
The records show that Bad Nenndorf was run by a War Office department called the Combined Services Detailed Interrogation Centre (CSDIC).
By late 1946, CSDIC appears to have lost interest in *****, and was targeting communists. It appears the prisoners were questioned about Soviet methods and intentions, rather than about the Communist party itself.
Some of Bad Nenndorf's inmates were indeed spying for the Soviets: one prisoner, who was half-Norwegian and half-Russian, told Hayward he was an officer in the NKVD, the predecessor of the KGB, and had been operating continuously in Germany since 1938. Another, a German journalist who had been freed by the Soviets from a Gestapo prison, was caught flying into Croydon aerodrome with false British papers. Both men were starved and badly tortured.
Others clearly were not spies, however. One man who was starved to death was a gay ex-soldier caught with forged papers while crossing into the British zone in search of his lover, while the other was a young German who was being interrogated because he had volunteered to spy for the British in the Russian zone, and was wrongly suspected of lying because of an official error over his medical records.
Four British officers were court martialled after Hayward's investigation. Declassified documents show that the hearings were held largely behind closed doors to prevent the Soviets from discovering that Russians were being detained.
Another consideration was admitted to be the determination to conceal the existence of several other CSDIC prisons. While it is now known that one interrogation centre was in central London, little is known about those in Germany, other than their locations.
Following the courts martial, the prison at Bad Nenndorf, which was in a converted bath-house, was replaced with a purpose-built interrogation centre near an RAF base at Gütersloh, and orders were issued for inmates to be examined by a doctor before interrogation. It is unclear when this centre closed. The only officer at Bad Nenndorf to be convicted was the prison doctor. At the age of 49, his sentence was to be dismissed from the army. The commanding officer, Colonel Robin Stephens, was cleared of a charge of "disgraceful conduct of a cruel kind" and told he was free to apply to rejoin his former employers at MI5.


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richie001

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Just look back thought are own (British) history.We have also committed
atrocities.

EddScott

Considering we owned most of the world at one point I doubt very much the locals said "Oh good, the English are here"

stevebt

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I have worked in Germany and they were responsible for how many deaths but its not the fault of the people who live there now. I have also been to cambodia and they are responsible for how many deaths?? times change and the people now aren't the same people of years ago!

shooter007

they may have been in the minority but at least some people on our side spoke out not enough for sure and i agree two wrongs dont make a wright

Jaybird-UK

Posting a link from Daily Mail website says it all!

I trust you dont buy/own anything from :

Japan
China
England
Germany
America

All have had pretty shady pasts, buts thats the key word here "past" - Forgive but never forget IMO

Jaybird-UK

Actually Id like to add thanks for posting the link, the article was actually worth a read.

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Nissan Bluebird was crossed off my dream list after 911 !

Quasi Modo

Can anyone name a race, country that is holier than thou then? i can't think of one, which suggests selective historical memories. If people think the English are so terrible why do they insist on coming here legally or otherwise?

If you go back far enough in anyones history you'll find terrible things that their ancestors were up to. The problem is only certain parts are ever discussed, so giving the impression that some people have the moral high ground over others, everyone has crapped on everyone else since mankind first picked up a stone/club and wanted something that wasn't his/hers.