Landlord responsibilities?
01 May 2010, 08:44 PM
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Got an elderly rellie who is in a *grotty* flat. They've been there since *about* 1991. As their health is going downhill we're trying to move them to a newer place which is ground-floor only. That's not really an issue. What is is that their current flat is, to put it mildly, a pigsty. Now it's partly their fault as they have never been too good at looking after themselves in the sense of keeping things tidy or repapering when they can look at hanging paper ( 
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But, the last time the landlord visited was at least 15 years ago. Even about 18 months ago when adult social care contacted them to get permission to install a bannister on the steep stairs there was still no visit or contact from them of any kind. My question is do they have a responsibility to inspect at regular intervals (subject to asking first obviously)? I can't seem to find the answer to this query, and the rellie hasn't found any tenancy agreement yet, as most people ask how they can keep the landlord out!
Any pointers from SN landlords appreciated!
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) and they've now got Parkinsons (mildly) which makes you more apathetic!But, the last time the landlord visited was at least 15 years ago. Even about 18 months ago when adult social care contacted them to get permission to install a bannister on the steep stairs there was still no visit or contact from them of any kind. My question is do they have a responsibility to inspect at regular intervals (subject to asking first obviously)? I can't seem to find the answer to this query, and the rellie hasn't found any tenancy agreement yet, as most people ask how they can keep the landlord out!
Any pointers from SN landlords appreciated!
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01 May 2010, 08:54 PM
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Landlords have a responcability to keep the electrical installation safe and tested every 5 years or when tenants change
Also a Gas Safe certificate as well for boiler or gas water heater
Decor will be in the tenants agreement as far i am aware
Also a Gas Safe certificate as well for boiler or gas water heater
Decor will be in the tenants agreement as far i am aware
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The GSI is law, but there is no requirement as far as I know to do inspections, have they reported the problems to the landlord? if not then I would imagine that he might be of the assumption that everything is all OK and the tenants do some minor decorating and repairs themselves.
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From your link..
"ensure any electrical equipment you provide is safe for use - though there's no requirement to get a certificate"
As I said there is no requirement by law to have the electrical installation tested. Especially not after every time the tenant changes.
Of course there is a requirement to keep the electrical installation safe, as with everything else in the property!
01 May 2010, 10:26 PM
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The GSI is law, but there is no requirement as far as I know to do inspections, have they reported the problems to the landlord? if not then I would imagine that he might be of the assumption that everything is all OK and the tenants do some minor decorating and repairs themselves.
The GSI is law, but there is no requirement as far as I know to do inspections, have they reported the problems to the landlord? if not then I would imagine that he might be of the assumption that everything is all OK and the tenants do some minor decorating and repairs themselves.
I'm just trying to make sure I get all the facts before any notice is handed in.Ta so far.
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Being, what sounds like a private let, the worst that would most likely happen is the Landlord may withhold any deposit held, and if they moved in 19 years ago, then I can't imagine that's very much at all.
If I had long term tenants in any of mine I would expect to be fitting a new kitchen/bathroom and redec anyway, so I very much doubt he will care tbh.
If I had long term tenants in any of mine I would expect to be fitting a new kitchen/bathroom and redec anyway, so I very much doubt he will care tbh.
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Just out of interest is there gas at the property and has it been checked annually, if not then they have the perfect counter for any arguments the Landlord may/may not have. 
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Being, what sounds like a private let, the worst that would most likely happen is the Landlord may withhold any deposit held, and if they moved in 19 years ago, then I can't imagine that's very much at all.
If I had long term tenants in any of mine I would expect to be fitting a new kitchen/bathroom and redec anyway, so I very much doubt he will care tbh.
If I had long term tenants in any of mine I would expect to be fitting a new kitchen/bathroom and redec anyway, so I very much doubt he will care tbh.
Doubt if there was a deposit. But I'm with you. If it was mine I'd be checking at least every 6 months!
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From your link..
"ensure any electrical equipment you provide is safe for use - though there's no requirement to get a certificate"
As I said there is no requirement by law to have the electrical installation tested. Especially not after every time the tenant changes.
Of course there is a requirement to keep the electrical installation safe, as with everything else in the property!
"ensure any electrical equipment you provide is safe for use - though there's no requirement to get a certificate"
As I said there is no requirement by law to have the electrical installation tested. Especially not after every time the tenant changes.
Of course there is a requirement to keep the electrical installation safe, as with everything else in the property!
Why do that and not get a certificate then ?
The statement above refers to "electrical equipment" not electrical installation
02 May 2010, 08:22 AM
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However, landlords are likely to have a duty of care for wiring systems and electrical equipment. It's therefore a good idea for landlords to conduct electrical safety checks before leasing a property.
With duty of care comes traceability therefore a paper trail would be required
For proof of duty of care
However, landlords are likely to have a duty of care for wiring systems and electrical equipment. It's therefore a good idea for landlords to conduct electrical safety checks before leasing a property.
With duty of care comes traceability therefore a paper trail would be required
For proof of duty of care
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Thanks for all the replies. Going to have to check the tenacy agreement first.
As they haven't visited for more than 15 years they will have none. The only electrical work done was when the meter was changed. Can't remember all the details but there was something to do with the old meter feeding two flats. And this was a coin meter. For some reason the new meter was placed *inside the property* from the old coin meter that was in place. The new meter is a PAYG type one but you still have to put a 50p into the old one to get power 
An old 50p at that!!!!! And that was the electricity supplier who did that ...... (the *installer* did leave the coin meter open so the same coin is used all the time so no funny business there anyway).
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An old 50p at that!!!!! And that was the electricity supplier who did that ...... (the *installer* did leave the coin meter open so the same coin is used all the time so no funny business there anyway).Dave
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Thanks for all the replies. Going to have to check the tenacy agreement first.
As they haven't visited for more than 15 years they will have none. The only electrical work done was when the meter was changed. Can't remember all the details but there was something to do with the old meter feeding two flats. And this was a coin meter. For some reason the new meter was placed *inside the property* from the old coin meter that was in place. The new meter is a PAYG type one but you still have to put a 50p into the old one to get power An old 50p at that!!!!! And that was the electricity supplier who did that ...... (the *installer* did leave the coin meter open so the same coin is used all the time so no funny business there anyway).
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As they haven't visited for more than 15 years they will have none. The only electrical work done was when the meter was changed. Can't remember all the details but there was something to do with the old meter feeding two flats. And this was a coin meter. For some reason the new meter was placed *inside the property* from the old coin meter that was in place. The new meter is a PAYG type one but you still have to put a 50p into the old one to get power
An old 50p at that!!!!! And that was the electricity supplier who did that ...... (the *installer* did leave the coin meter open so the same coin is used all the time so no funny business there anyway).Dave
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03 May 2010, 08:18 AM
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Copied from same web site for you to
However, landlords are likely to have a duty of care for wiring systems and electrical equipment. It's therefore a good idea for landlords to conduct electrical safety checks before leasing a property.
With duty of care comes traceability therefore a paper trail would be required
For proof of duty of care
However, landlords are likely to have a duty of care for wiring systems and electrical equipment. It's therefore a good idea for landlords to conduct electrical safety checks before leasing a property.
With duty of care comes traceability therefore a paper trail would be required
For proof of duty of care
I agree it's a good idea, but the OP is asking what the landlord is required to do, not what is recommended.
