Is it time for full devolution?
11 May 2010, 08:38 AM
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Is it time for full devolution?
Many of you have commented on the fact that this instability from a hung parliament is not helping with the debts of the nation.
Considering the huge amounts of cash England gives to Scotland and Wales to support them, would you consider full devolution, to cut the amount of cash flowing out of England?
Getting rid of these two countries, and having parliament simply running England, without those two nations having a say on how England is ran, would also see removed the need to use Scottish or Welsh political parties to form majority governments.
What do you think?
Considering the huge amounts of cash England gives to Scotland and Wales to support them, would you consider full devolution, to cut the amount of cash flowing out of England?
Getting rid of these two countries, and having parliament simply running England, without those two nations having a say on how England is ran, would also see removed the need to use Scottish or Welsh political parties to form majority governments.
What do you think?
11 May 2010, 09:24 AM
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I take it you mean independence, and not devolution.
So which country gets the oil revenue? Since its off the Scottish coast, I would assume Scotland. In which case, where would England be without the billions in oil revenue?
It just wouldn't work would it? As Chip says, its a stupid idea.
So which country gets the oil revenue? Since its off the Scottish coast, I would assume Scotland. In which case, where would England be without the billions in oil revenue?
It just wouldn't work would it? As Chip says, its a stupid idea.
11 May 2010, 09:34 AM
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Because most of the people in those countries want to stay part of UK. As said Scotland would keep what's left of oil revenue and how long would NI last without a British army on call if problems?
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11 May 2010, 09:52 AM
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Maybe Scotland and Wales aren't coming up with the goods as far as the economy is concerned at the moment, but have you taken a look at places like Bradford? Places like that in England are full of the most braindead scumbags imaginable living on benefits... must be quite a sap on the resources. Sure, there are some rough places up here(and plenty of benefit scroungers), but at least a lot more people in rough areas in Glasgow are still sharp considering their lack of education, and thereforethe ones that work can make a good contribution. Bradford was an eyeopener for me. Never seen so many people lacking common sense, or just living on another planet in their own minds which is of no relation to this one. Scary!
11 May 2010, 10:09 AM
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Many of you have commented on the fact that this instability from a hung parliament is not helping with the debts of the nation.
Considering the huge amounts of cash England gives to Scotland and Wales to support them, would you consider full devolution, to cut the amount of cash flowing out of England?
Getting rid of these two countries, and having parliament simply running England, without those two nations having a say on how England is ran, would also see removed the need to use Scottish or Welsh political parties to form majority governments.
What do you think?
Considering the huge amounts of cash England gives to Scotland and Wales to support them, would you consider full devolution, to cut the amount of cash flowing out of England?
Getting rid of these two countries, and having parliament simply running England, without those two nations having a say on how England is ran, would also see removed the need to use Scottish or Welsh political parties to form majority governments.
What do you think?
Notice how it's the Scottish and Welsh on here saying it's a stupid idea 
Why should Wales have free prescriptions when we have to pay for them for example. If the 'Union' is to remain then the 1 rule for them and one rule for us has to stop and the benefits are equal across the board. That also goes for them voting on issues only affecting England. If that is to remain then we get to vote on issues affecting only them.
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11 May 2010, 10:13 AM
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Why should Wales have free prescriptions when we have to pay for them for example. If the 'Union' is to remain then the 1 rule for them and one rule for us has to stop and the benefits are equal across the board. That also goes for them voting on issues only affecting England. If that is to remain then we get to vote on issues affecting only them.
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Sensible, very sensible.........so it'll never happen in British politics
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11 May 2010, 11:02 AM
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Im 100% for union (and half Scottish), but the Scots want their own devolved parliament, then Id like to see all of their labour MPs out of the house of commons. One of the concessions given when the two countries were joined was that they were over-represented at Westminster.
11 May 2010, 11:34 AM
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Im 100% for union (and half Scottish), but the Scots want their own devolved parliament, then Id like to see all of their labour MPs out of the house of commons. One of the concessions given when the two countries were joined was that they were over-represented at Westminster.
If you took all the labour MPs from Wales and Scotland out then there would be very little left of the Labour party in parliament. So thats a good thing I suppose
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11 May 2010, 11:37 AM
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I think Scotland and Wales should be allowed to do what THEY want. But if they want their own parliament so we don't get a say in what they do, then they should not be in ours telling US what to do.
As for oil reserves, without it Scotland would not be a going concern. Its not the massive resource you think it is, as if it were, we would all be a lot richer.
As for oil reserves, without it Scotland would not be a going concern. Its not the massive resource you think it is, as if it were, we would all be a lot richer.
11 May 2010, 11:39 AM
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I completely agree and think it's a great idea Notice how it's the Scottish and Welsh on here saying it's a stupid idea
Why should Wales have free prescriptions when we have to pay for them for example. If the 'Union' is to remain then the 1 rule for them and one rule for us has to stop and the benefits are equal across the board. That also goes for them voting on issues only affecting England. If that is to remain then we get to vote on issues affecting only them.
Notice how it's the Scottish and Welsh on here saying it's a stupid idea Why should Wales have free prescriptions when we have to pay for them for example. If the 'Union' is to remain then the 1 rule for them and one rule for us has to stop and the benefits are equal across the board. That also goes for them voting on issues only affecting England. If that is to remain then we get to vote on issues affecting only them.
My wife is fighting cancer at the moment and there were 2 girls in her ward who had cancer aged 21 and 24 ,both the result of smear tests. God knows what would have happened to them if they lived 15 miles away in England.
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11 May 2010, 11:42 AM
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How about Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales become a Union and toss England out, least us lot are Loyal to Queen and Country! We'd have oil, we could go back to shipbuilding and construction and we'd have the best Soldiers in the land, after a wee while we might just invade England!
11 May 2010, 12:00 PM
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I take it you mean independence, and not devolution.
So which country gets the oil revenue? Since its off the Scottish coast, I would assume Scotland. In which case, where would England be without the billions in oil revenue?
It just wouldn't work would it? As Chip says, its a stupid idea.
So which country gets the oil revenue? Since its off the Scottish coast, I would assume Scotland. In which case, where would England be without the billions in oil revenue?
It just wouldn't work would it? As Chip says, its a stupid idea.
Seriously though if we end up with an unholy alliance of Lab-Lib + Nationalists it wil be the English that end up with all the spending cuts
11 May 2010, 12:03 PM
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11 May 2010, 12:59 PM
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Sadly we seem to be looking to the complete opposite situation with every tom dick and harry + his dog sticking their oar in and expecting handouts
- almost guaranteed to push the whole 'alliance' into oblivion
-damn shame con lib wasnt a goer
- almost guaranteed to push the whole 'alliance' into oblivion
-damn shame con lib wasnt a goer
11 May 2010, 01:04 PM
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Lets just have a Civil war. Kill all the Scotts and Welsh (what do they do?) and take over all the land.
Turn the Shetland Islands into detention camps for all the immigrants.
Turn the Shetland Islands into detention camps for all the immigrants.
11 May 2010, 01:23 PM
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How about Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales become a Union and toss England out, least us lot are Loyal to Queen and Country! We'd have oil, we could go back to shipbuilding and construction and we'd have the best Soldiers in the land, after a wee while we might just invade England!
2. Crack on with shipbuilding, then pay us back what is owed for security services for how many years.
3. Doubtful about best soldiers in the land, not quantifiable.
4. As stated before, come and get it.
All tongue in cheek of course!
11 May 2010, 02:00 PM
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Thats how us Pikey's roll!
11 May 2010, 02:11 PM
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Interesting post.
For the Scottish Parliamentary elections, the SNP did much better, so Labour would unlikely be the ruling power in an Independent Scotland, so with that and and the Oil revenue (there's still plenty left, its just harder to get) together with a workable Scottish taxation system, I'm all for it, to be honest.
Not sure the Welsh would agree though.
For the Scottish Parliamentary elections, the SNP did much better, so Labour would unlikely be the ruling power in an Independent Scotland, so with that and and the Oil revenue (there's still plenty left, its just harder to get) together with a workable Scottish taxation system, I'm all for it, to be honest.
Not sure the Welsh would agree though.
11 May 2010, 02:11 PM
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Interesting post.
For the Scottish Parliamentary elections, the SNP did much better, so Labour would unlikely be the ruling power in an Independent Scotland, so with that and and the Oil revenue (there's still plenty left, its just harder to get) together with a workable Scottish taxation system, I'm all for it, to be honest.
Not sure the Welsh would agree though.
For the Scottish Parliamentary elections, the SNP did much better, so Labour would unlikely be the ruling power in an Independent Scotland, so with that and and the Oil revenue (there's still plenty left, its just harder to get) together with a workable Scottish taxation system, I'm all for it, to be honest.
Not sure the Welsh would agree though.