British pensioner v Illegal immigrants
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British pensioner v Illegal immigrants
This was sent to me, I'm not sure if these are true facts or not, but unfortunately I'm inclined to take them at face value, knowing what a soft touch we are to the rest of the world.
So ‘ Pathetically’ True, this could only be in the UK …
We're "broke" and can't help our own Pensioners, Veterans, Orphans, Homeless etc !!!
Are you aware of the following?
The British Government provides the following financial assistance:
Benifit Payments to:
A. BRITISH OLD AGED PENSIONER
B. ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS / REFUGEES LIVING IN BRITAIN
And gives the following Weekly allowances
For A. £100
For B. £250
Weekly Spouse allowance
For A. £25
For B. £225
Additional weekly hardship allowance
For A. £0.00
For B. £100
TOTAL YEARLY BENEFIT
For A. £6,000
For B. £29,900
So ‘ Pathetically’ True, this could only be in the UK …
We're "broke" and can't help our own Pensioners, Veterans, Orphans, Homeless etc !!!
Are you aware of the following?
The British Government provides the following financial assistance:
Benifit Payments to:
A. BRITISH OLD AGED PENSIONER
B. ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS / REFUGEES LIVING IN BRITAIN
And gives the following Weekly allowances
For A. £100
For B. £250
Weekly Spouse allowance
For A. £25
For B. £225
Additional weekly hardship allowance
For A. £0.00
For B. £100
TOTAL YEARLY BENEFIT
For A. £6,000
For B. £29,900
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All this hard pressed British pensioner bollox.
If you rely on the state when you get to pensionable age chances are you've been a fooking soap dodging sponger all your life.
Tough ****
If you rely on the state when you get to pensionable age chances are you've been a fooking soap dodging sponger all your life.
Tough ****
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B is on about the same as me and i go away and fight for the country. While they sit at home. Also when im away fighting im paying taxes to gie to them. I think change of job needed.
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What a load of ****.
So you agree some immigrant who has never contributed a f,ing penny in taxes towards the running of this country in his/her life should get about five times the ammount of money from the government over someone who has worked here their whole life and paid taxes their whole working life?
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What a load of ****.
So you agree some immigrant who has never contributed a f,ing penny in taxes towards the running of this country in his/her life should get about five times the ammount of money from the government over someone who has worked here their whole life and paid taxes their whole working life?
So you agree some immigrant who has never contributed a f,ing penny in taxes towards the running of this country in his/her life should get about five times the ammount of money from the government over someone who has worked here their whole life and paid taxes their whole working life?
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* http://www.claimsfinancial.co.uk/con...e-pension.aspx
However i do find it a little unfair to just keep rewarding (some) people who haven't worked or contributed towards even a state pension...that includes british born and immigrants!
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No not at all the case* - unless you have good & reliable figures to back this up of course then let's see them
* http://www.claimsfinancial.co.uk/con...e-pension.aspx
However i do find it a little unfair to just keep rewarding (some) people who haven't worked or contributed towards even a state pension...that includes british born and immigrants!
* http://www.claimsfinancial.co.uk/con...e-pension.aspx
However i do find it a little unfair to just keep rewarding (some) people who haven't worked or contributed towards even a state pension...that includes british born and immigrants!
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The employment rate for those aged from 16 to 64 for the three months to October 2010 was 70.6 per cent,
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/CCI/nugget.asp?ID=12
This cnutry is going down the pan because it's full of shirkers !
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I remember being made redundant about 10 years ago.
Company went into adminstration - no money to pay redundancy etc, unpaid expenses for many of us which were substancial.
I distinctly remember being made feel like a second class citizen trying to get dole money to pay my mortgage, feed my family etc.
I really cannot understand how immigrants get hand outs left right and centre - really pisses me off
B@stards!
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Yes
The employment rate for those aged from 16 to 64 for the three months to October 2010 was 70.6 per cent,
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/CCI/nugget.asp?ID=12
This cnutry is going down the pan because it's full of shirkers !
The employment rate for those aged from 16 to 64 for the three months to October 2010 was 70.6 per cent,
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/CCI/nugget.asp?ID=12
This cnutry is going down the pan because it's full of shirkers !
also if we have 1m illegal immigrants - what exactly what will happen to them when they reach an age where they cannot work and get ill/infirm and need to use more NHS resources - i do doubt they will be going 'home' and yet they do not contribute to the system(s)
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several year(s) ago (2008/9?) the Government at the time believed 750,000 illegals where in the country so unless they have been boarding lorries in Dover and heading back to mainland Europe or back to the sh*tholes they came from then the number likely to me more wouldn't you agree?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/th...00/8034375.stm
This also doesn't factor in children born to illegals in this country of course nor those who will not give their nationality/home country to be deported to, so, they get to be British because they lie cheat and defeat the system and are 'rewarded' for deception and breaking the law by then being allowed to become British
Just the sort of people this country needs
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As someone who cannot afford to buy a house on minimum wage( £5.93phr,working class),why should I give a sh*t if I lose my job working for a company that has made record profits during a "recession"????Society DOES NOT give a sh*T about me.SO, SOCIETY GETS EVERYTHING IT DESERVES......
rhetorical question BTW..
rhetorical question BTW..
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I have no idea how true the OP's post is, but this stupid biatch has come out with a right chestnut
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...s-comment.html
My tax going to support families in other Countries. It gets worse!!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...s-comment.html
My tax going to support families in other Countries. It gets worse!!
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I have no idea how true the OP's post is, but this stupid biatch has come out with a right chestnut
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...s-comment.html
My tax going to support families in other Countries. It gets worse!!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...s-comment.html
My tax going to support families in other Countries. It gets worse!!
Thank god she comes out with this sort of thing just to remind voters how unelectable and idiotic NL really are - even with millibland in charge!
So money handed out to immigrants is then not put back into the local communities - madness imho.
And also madness that 'they' have spare benefits to send 'home' and there lies the crux the UK is not home or never will be just somewhere soft and easy to exploit.
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What a load of ****.
So you agree some immigrant who has never contributed a f,ing penny in taxes towards the running of this country in his/her life should get about five times the ammount of money from the government over someone who has worked here their whole life and paid taxes their whole working life?
So you agree some immigrant who has never contributed a f,ing penny in taxes towards the running of this country in his/her life should get about five times the ammount of money from the government over someone who has worked here their whole life and paid taxes their whole working life?
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Members may be contacted by constituents complaining that “illegal immigrants/refugees” in Britain receive significantly more financial assistance from the Government than UK pensioners, citing an email.
The email alleges that “if you cross the British border illegally you get a job, a driver’s license, pension card, welfare, credit cards, subsidised rent or a loan to buy a house, free education and free healthcare.” It also suggests that “illegal immigrants/refugees living in Britain” are entitled to financial assistance worth up to £29,900 per year, in contrast to pensioners who, it says, receive only £6,000 a year in benefit.
The email contains text from a protest email which has been circulating in Australia for some time now, but which may have originated in Canada. Versions also circulate in the United States, and elements even appear in protest emails as far afield as India. The UK version has been adapted, somewhat crudely, for a domestic audience by someone or some organisation unknown. The figures quoted bear no relation whatsoever to the situation in the United Kingdom.
As long ago as October 2007 the Refugee Council of Australia advised Australians to ignore an almost identical email to the one now circulating in the UK, describing it as “blatantly inaccurate and intended to create resentment towards refugees and fuel disharmony.” The Australian Department for Immigration and Citizenship has also attempted on more than one occasion to refute the claims in the email, but it continues to circulate, in various guises, and receives regular attention on talk-back radio shows and internet discussion forums.
This note gives details of the email, and looks at its origins. It also gives information on actual entitlements for immigrants and pensioners in the United Kingdom.
The email alleges that “if you cross the British border illegally you get a job, a driver’s license, pension card, welfare, credit cards, subsidised rent or a loan to buy a house, free education and free healthcare.” It also suggests that “illegal immigrants/refugees living in Britain” are entitled to financial assistance worth up to £29,900 per year, in contrast to pensioners who, it says, receive only £6,000 a year in benefit.
The email contains text from a protest email which has been circulating in Australia for some time now, but which may have originated in Canada. Versions also circulate in the United States, and elements even appear in protest emails as far afield as India. The UK version has been adapted, somewhat crudely, for a domestic audience by someone or some organisation unknown. The figures quoted bear no relation whatsoever to the situation in the United Kingdom.
As long ago as October 2007 the Refugee Council of Australia advised Australians to ignore an almost identical email to the one now circulating in the UK, describing it as “blatantly inaccurate and intended to create resentment towards refugees and fuel disharmony.” The Australian Department for Immigration and Citizenship has also attempted on more than one occasion to refute the claims in the email, but it continues to circulate, in various guises, and receives regular attention on talk-back radio shows and internet discussion forums.
This note gives details of the email, and looks at its origins. It also gives information on actual entitlements for immigrants and pensioners in the United Kingdom.
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Actual entitlements for people from abroad and UK pensioners
“Illegal immigrants” are people who have entered the UK unlawfully, or who have stayed here for longer than they were allowed without making another application. They do not have the right to work. Since they are in the UK without legal status, they are liable to be removed if they come to the attention of immigration authorities.
People who require leave to enter or remain in the UK, but who do not have it, are ‘persons subject to immigration control’ within the meaning of section 115 of the Immigration and Asylum Act 1999 and as such are not eligible for social security benefits, except those which depend on National Insurance contributions, such as contribution-based JSA. However, it is highly unlikely that a person in the UK without legal status will have a sufficient NI contribution record to gain entitlement to contributory benefits.
“Refugees” – i.e. asylum seekers whose application for asylum has been successful – are able to claim social security benefits and tax credits on the same basis as UK nationals, but may find it difficult to gain entitlement to contributory benefits since these depend upon the person having a sufficient contribution record.
The figures in the final column of the table in the email bear no relation to any UK out-of-work benefit rates. The current rate of income-based Jobseeker’s Allowance, for example, is £65.45 a week for a single person aged 25 or over, or £102.75 for a couple. People in receipt of out-of-work benefits may also receive Housing Benefit and Council Tax Benefit, but the table does not mention assistance with housing costs.
Asylum seekers – i.e. persons waiting for a decision on an asylum application - are not entitled to mainstream non-contributory social security benefits including income-based Jobseeker’s Allowance, Income Support and Housing Benefit. Instead, they may be eligible for accommodation and/or financial support from the UK Border Agency.
Cash support for asylum seekers is less generous than social security benefits; for example, a single person aged 18 or over currently receives £35.52 a week and a couple £70.34 a week.
Further information on entitlement to benefits for people coming to the UK from abroad can be found in Library Research Paper 08/65, Impacts of Immigration.
The full Category A Retirement Pension is currently £97.65 a week. Pensioners whose total income – including their Retirement Pension – is less than the Pension Credit Guarantee Credit may be able to get their income ‘topped-up’ to that level. The Pension Credit Guarantee Credit for a single pensioner is £132.60 a week, and £202.40 for a couple, butfurther additions may be payable for disability and/or carers.
“Illegal immigrants” are people who have entered the UK unlawfully, or who have stayed here for longer than they were allowed without making another application. They do not have the right to work. Since they are in the UK without legal status, they are liable to be removed if they come to the attention of immigration authorities.
People who require leave to enter or remain in the UK, but who do not have it, are ‘persons subject to immigration control’ within the meaning of section 115 of the Immigration and Asylum Act 1999 and as such are not eligible for social security benefits, except those which depend on National Insurance contributions, such as contribution-based JSA. However, it is highly unlikely that a person in the UK without legal status will have a sufficient NI contribution record to gain entitlement to contributory benefits.
“Refugees” – i.e. asylum seekers whose application for asylum has been successful – are able to claim social security benefits and tax credits on the same basis as UK nationals, but may find it difficult to gain entitlement to contributory benefits since these depend upon the person having a sufficient contribution record.
The figures in the final column of the table in the email bear no relation to any UK out-of-work benefit rates. The current rate of income-based Jobseeker’s Allowance, for example, is £65.45 a week for a single person aged 25 or over, or £102.75 for a couple. People in receipt of out-of-work benefits may also receive Housing Benefit and Council Tax Benefit, but the table does not mention assistance with housing costs.
Asylum seekers – i.e. persons waiting for a decision on an asylum application - are not entitled to mainstream non-contributory social security benefits including income-based Jobseeker’s Allowance, Income Support and Housing Benefit. Instead, they may be eligible for accommodation and/or financial support from the UK Border Agency.
Cash support for asylum seekers is less generous than social security benefits; for example, a single person aged 18 or over currently receives £35.52 a week and a couple £70.34 a week.
Further information on entitlement to benefits for people coming to the UK from abroad can be found in Library Research Paper 08/65, Impacts of Immigration.
The full Category A Retirement Pension is currently £97.65 a week. Pensioners whose total income – including their Retirement Pension – is less than the Pension Credit Guarantee Credit may be able to get their income ‘topped-up’ to that level. The Pension Credit Guarantee Credit for a single pensioner is £132.60 a week, and £202.40 for a couple, butfurther additions may be payable for disability and/or carers.
http://www.parliament.uk/briefingpap...snsp-05621.pdf
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These arguments are about who should get handouts, who should get housing etc. In other words it's all about WHO should have their life funded by my tax money because they haven't bothered to make provision for themselves. The answer is simples.....NONE OF THEM
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