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Old 07 January 2011, 01:33 PM
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Just seen this on the news
http://news.uk.msn.com/articles.aspx...ntid=155781461

Now they cynic in me thinks, what new strategy or system do they want to implement now?

anyone else think the same?


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Old 07 January 2011, 01:41 PM
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...control-orders
but now
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...-scrapped.html
Old 07 January 2011, 01:45 PM
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Yep, must be some new hiddent agenda I reckon. Interesting to see their tactics are the same as their predecessors. And it was all going to be so different ..not!
Old 07 January 2011, 01:48 PM
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Call me a cynic but no-ones talking about the VAT rise any more are they?
Old 07 January 2011, 01:50 PM
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My question would be, what possible good is it to the general public to tell us this information, there is nothing we can do with this information, unless the whole purpose is to keep the general public scared and more receptive to laws that relinquish our freedoms.
Old 07 January 2011, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ReallyReallyGoodMeat
My question would be, what possible good is it to the general public to tell us this information, there is nothing we can do with this information, unless the whole purpose is to keep the general public scared and more receptive to laws that relinquish our freedoms.
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Old 07 January 2011, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by hutton_d
Terrorist threat level up.
Flu vaccine shortage and people in intensive care.

The government obviously want us all worried about anything but the economy, the ongoing saga with IPSA (HoC expenses committee), the Euro being on the brink, *inconvenient* cold weather over most of the planet spoiling their plans to intr4oduce more GW b*llsh!t tax, etc etc

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Totally agree with the last part, although it is now classed as 'Climate Change', so they are able to get away with it. What they shouldn't get away with is making us pay taxes for something based on 100 years of research when the planet if 4.5 billion years old!
In a court of law that wouldn't stand would it?
Old 07 January 2011, 02:34 PM
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I think we have to trust the police and the intelligence authorities if they say there is a severe threat of any kind of terrorist attack. They are of course privy to information which we are not and which could not be published because of the obvious risk to the sources of that information.

The control order business is a difficult one when related to our traditional attitude to the freedom of the people. Maybe we have to ask ourselves that in the current climate, especially with the uncontrolled immigration of the past years, whether we should instigate a different approach for the safety of the people and with terrorism in mind.

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Old 07 January 2011, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Yep, must be some new hiddent agenda I reckon. Interesting to see their tactics are the same as their predecessors. And it was all going to be so different ..not!
Hmmm. I'm not too impressed with the control order thing but otoh 7/7 proved we have a major terrorist threat.
Old 07 January 2011, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
The control order business is a difficult one when related to our traditional attitude to the freedom of the people. Maybe we have to ask ourselves that in the current climate, especially with the uncontrolled immigration of the past years, whether we should instigate a different approach for the safety of the people and with terrorism in mind.

Les
Yeah good point.

I'm really uncomfortable with such a transgression by the government on our freedoms but otoh I believe we face a grave threat.

There must be a better way though?
Old 07 January 2011, 02:50 PM
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Do you really think that it will fool the British public, ten percent are too smart, 40 percent dont care and 40 percent are more interested in what Cheryl Cole is up to this week.








































The rest are too busy adding up percentages.....
Old 07 January 2011, 02:53 PM
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I'll have you know I put down my copy of Heat magazine to read this thread J4CKO
Old 07 January 2011, 02:53 PM
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If you were to divide Cheryl Cole into 3 equal pieces what percentage....
Old 07 January 2011, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
Hmmm. I'm not too impressed with the control order thing but otoh 7/7 proved we have a major terrorist threat.
Utter bollocks! We didn't get told we all had to be on heightened DEFCON 10 every time the IRA so much as farted did we?

Of course there is a threat as we are part of the self imposed World Police occupying two countries illegally, but the point here is both this and the last government have a vested interest in keeping the population scared so they can justify more and more intrusion into our lives and control over them.

All they want us to be bothered about are a few disaffected extremists when the real problem is the EU and UK government systematically eroding all of our civil liberties

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Old 07 January 2011, 03:00 PM
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I think we need to be realistic here guys .................... does anybody really care what Cheryl Cole has been up to this week?
Old 07 January 2011, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
I think we have to trust the police and the intelligence authorities if they say there is a severe threat of any kind of terrorist attack. They are of course privy to information which we are not and which could not be published because of the obvious risk to the sources of that information.

Les
Les: you are extremely naive if you trust EITHER of the above organisations any further than you could chuck the whole lot of 'em.

They have been shown to tell lies, have an agenda and do EXACTLY as their paymasters tell them.
Old 07 January 2011, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Utter bollocks! We didn't get told we all had to be on heightened DEFCON 10 every time the IRA so much as farted did we?

Of course there is a threat as we are part of the self imposed World Police occupying two countries illegally, but the point here is both this and the last government have a vested interest in keeping the population scared so they can justify more and more intrusion into our lives and control over them.

All they want us to be bothered about are a few disaffected extremists when the real problem is the EU and UK government systematically eroding all of our civil liberties
Sure but the IRA generally phoned warnings. It's a different more unpredictable threat with no clear aims or coherence.

9/11 happened before 'we' went into Iraq and Afghanistan and the people who did 7/7 were British.
Old 07 January 2011, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
Les: you are extremely naive if you trust EITHER of the above organisations any further than you could chuck the whole lot of 'em.

They have been shown to tell lies, have an agenda and do EXACTLY as their paymasters tell them.
I trust the Terrorists (and their sympathisers) less.
Old 07 January 2011, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by DCI Gene Hunt
If you were to divide Cheryl Cole into 3 equal pieces what percentage....
Well, there's 3 holes....
Old 07 January 2011, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
and the people who did 7/7 were British.
Don't care if they were Martians as the fact remains any attack on the UK would be far less likely if we weren't killing innocent civilians in other countries with no internationally recognised mandate to be there.
Old 07 January 2011, 03:21 PM
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I can see where this thread is about to end up.
Old 07 January 2011, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by zip106
I can see where this thread is about to end up.
Yep, no doubt the immortal phrase 'the war on Islamism' will be mentioned by some bell end any second now

Damn... I am that bell end
Old 07 January 2011, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Don't care if they were Martians as the fact remains any attack on the UK would be far less likely if we weren't killing innocent civilians in other countries with no internationally recognised mandate to be there.
What evidence do you base that upon?

9/11 proves the antipathy that the Islamists have towards the West is not driven by Iraq.
Old 07 January 2011, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Yep, no doubt the immortal phrase 'the war on Islamism' will be mentioned by some bell end any second now

Damn... I am that bell end
And there you have it! It's only taken 7 days, 15 hours and 23 minutes for the word "Islam" to appear first time on NSR this year!!
Old 07 January 2011, 03:30 PM
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It's like Hinge & Bracket all over again.
Old 07 January 2011, 03:31 PM
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Old 07 January 2011, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by jonc
And there you have it! It's only taken 7 days, 15 hours and 23 minutes for the word "Islam" to appear first time on NSR this year!!
You missed yesterday's little gem from TdW on the assassination in Pakisatan then?
Old 07 January 2011, 03:49 PM
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Where is the terrorist threat coming from then,

A/ Jews

B/ Hindu's

C/ Sikhs

D/ Christians

E/ Muslims


Not trying to be contreversial but that is the long and the short of it, people of the Muslim faith, radicalised or whatever are the ones under scrutiny, that isnt singling them out unfairly as they now have a track record of succesful and devastating attacks and a few notable failures, now I dont think we have doen anything to make them stop in terms of foreign policy so it stands to reason that it is probably them we are on about, sorry if its so predictable and boring but I would prefer to know if the secuirty forces think an attack is likely so I can perhaps decide for myself where to go as I prefer not being blown up if its allt he same with you, I take that quite seriously, like I did when it was the IRA at it.
Old 07 January 2011, 03:50 PM
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You forgot - F/ Catholics.


eta - Catholics are Christians, right.


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