Gordo

Fantastic

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/e...-slackers.html

Hopefully they'll apply this to the public sector first!

EddScott

And folk think NSR is quiet now, wait till this comes in

Adrian F

or anyone who they can get a new employee to replace for a lower salary

in private firms they could pretty much lay off any one they didnt like before this.

ALi-B

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Double edged sword this.

For small companies its a godsend, because getting rid of a shyte worker is a nightmare...especially if they have a unionist mentality.

Last company I had to deal with that needed to offload a "slacker" and found it nearly impossible. Well to be precise, workshy, incompetant gob****e, and the only thing he actually knew with relation to work was his "rights". Lets just say he didn't leave quietly.

For big companies, its a bad thing for the employee. But then again, most big companies employ most "disposable" employees for termed contract periods anyway. Be it six months or five years. Come review time, its "oh sorry, don't think we'll renew...see ya".

f1_fan

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You are all forgetting something. Human rights legislation. The first person to get the boot under the new rules will head straight ofr the EU Court of Human Rights and the UK government will roll over and take it and no it wouldn't matter which party was in power.

Terminator X

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Mmmm, good intentions albeit I can see that companies will abuse the new power! 3 months probation period is / becomes fairly meaningless then if you can be sacked for any reason within 2yrs ...

TX.

_Meridian_

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It is NOT difficult to get rid of genuinely under-performing workers, as long as you follow the correct procedure. That procedure is a little long-winded but easy to understand. If you follow it, neither union nor HRA can do anything about it. The problem is incompetent managers who do NOT follow the procedure, but who either let everything slide for too long, and then over-react, or who try on-the-spot firing. Or who are trying to get rid of people because of personal reasons, not incompetence. As with most issues in the workforce, the blame lies almost totally with bad management.


M

Trout

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Completely agree - you can totally sack slackers now if you follow due process.

Coffin Dodger

Phew, been in this job for over 15 years so no getting rid of me yet

TonyBurns

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Totally agree with Ali B on the double edged sword, Cameron hasnt thought this through very well, he will be upset when they sack all his mp's

Tony

The Zohan

+1

Leslie

Just the ones who were cheating on their expenses. That will be most of them anyway!

Les

urban

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Yes you can, and we've done it.

But......................

Its a long, drawn out process in my opinion.

Gordo

So, if it's currently so straight forward, why are no teachers ever sacked? Not singling teachers out in particular (but there was a piece in the press last year about how the crap ones just get moved around) but the civil service is full of hopeless slackers - I'm hoping this makes it easy for the ****e mgt in those entities to get rid of them.

Terminator X

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^^ Managers too weak to carry out performance reviews &/or the staff have been there over 1 year = harder to get shot of. My beef is that you can get shot of people today for almost any reason if they've worked less than 1 year ... 2 years is taking the p*ss IMHO as it will get abused

TX.

Trout

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Usually about 90 days. Always more difficult in a Unionised organisation.

dnc

Agreed, it is relatively straightforward............but only if you follow your own (assuming they are reasonable) disciplinary procedures.

The other thing that pi$$e$ me off is that if someone if off sick for say a year, you still have to give them their accrued holidays. Note - this may not be legally binding but certainly we always do it (and it's generally the shirkers that have long term sickness absence - appreciate this is not always the case though). Any comments on this?

Steve_PPP

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Indeed it is. It can take many months to performance manage someone who is underachieving to the point of dismissal. For departments with strict project deadlines, such a process can knock everything sideways.

I agree that 3 months is the usual timeframe, but poor line management can make this longer. I'm sure its not uncommon for HR/Personnel to drop the ball in this process either

Steve_PPP

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Same applies to maternity too....

Take 12 months maternity leave, return to work for a week (to show willing ). Having accrued a years holiday, hand your notice in then go on leave on the same day for the remaining 4 weeks!

Adrian F

The point is that companies will use this to lay people off just because they can recruit a new person into that job for a lower wage further forcing wages down

when you say civil service is full of slackers i bet those people tick all the right boxes on their PDR each year, your opinion of what they job is will not match what they are told to do by the system change the system 1st before sacking the staff.

dnc

I think part of the answer to this lies within your statement

urban

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Yeah - it is very time consuming, especially during periods with project deadlines in a smallish company.