Diesels, how high do they go ?
26 July 2011, 12:47 PM
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Diesels, how high do they go ?
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Just wondering the milage your average diesel would do before you start having problems ?
cars like BMWs, Volvos and Audis
I've seen a car I'd like for my run around but its on 194,000 miles
A better example would make a bigger hole in the pocket and I have other things to buy
Would I be daft to consider it ?
Its only a number, right ?
Just wondering the milage your average diesel would do before you start having problems ?
cars like BMWs, Volvos and Audis
I've seen a car I'd like for my run around but its on 194,000 miles
A better example would make a bigger hole in the pocket and I have other things to buy
Would I be daft to consider it ?
Its only a number, right ?
26 July 2011, 12:51 PM
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Depends on it's history. I've seen taxis still going strong with 300k+ on the clock!
One of our Octavia pool cars has done 246k and the engine's never missed a beat. It is on it's second gearbox, and third lot of springs & dampers though.
One of our Octavia pool cars has done 246k and the engine's never missed a beat. It is on it's second gearbox, and third lot of springs & dampers though.
26 July 2011, 12:59 PM
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heres the link
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2000-BMW-3...item4aad0bb273
History lost apparantly
Milage doesnt bother me as I'd be doing near 700 miles
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2000-BMW-3...item4aad0bb273
History lost apparantly
Milage doesnt bother me as I'd be doing near 700 miles
26 July 2011, 01:09 PM
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Hi
Just wondering the milage your average diesel would do before you start having problems ?
cars like BMWs, Volvos and Audis
I've seen a car I'd like for my run around but its on 194,000 miles
A better example would make a bigger hole in the pocket and I have other things to buy
Would I be daft to consider it ?
Its only a number, right ?
Just wondering the milage your average diesel would do before you start having problems ?
cars like BMWs, Volvos and Audis
I've seen a car I'd like for my run around but its on 194,000 miles
A better example would make a bigger hole in the pocket and I have other things to buy
Would I be daft to consider it ?
Its only a number, right ?
If it's non-Turbo, then it might be ok if maintained properly. Even so, that is a lot of miles. Rather you than me.
26 July 2011, 01:13 PM
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26 July 2011, 01:14 PM
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Some diesels have lots of problems, DPF's, Mercs spitting injectors out through the engine cowl, turbos failing, bits of inlet getting ingested. I dont really think they deserve there reputation for longevity these days, ok some do big milages but so do some petrols, they tend to be heavier on clutches and the rest of the drivetrain and tyres due to more weight and torque, especially the more powerful variants, suspect CrisPDuks Octavia is a lower power model.
I think diesels got their reputaion from old style non turbos that had iron blocks, low revving, low output, robust cooling and would keep going for hundreds of thousands of miles, my dad used to work on Gardner Bus engines and sometimes they would be pulled from a Bus at half a million miles and turned out to still be fine yet some could be knackered at half that, all to do with oil changes, conditions and how it was run in, no real rhyme or reason to it.
I dont think they are the long distance, high mile paragon of reliability and frugality people perceive them to be nowadays, my cousing ran a 205 D (no turbo) to 250,000 and it was still going strong (engine was, car was horrible), non turbo Golf 1.9 the same then a Leon FR which blows its coolant out of he thrashes it and its only done 80,000 or therabouts and the clutch slips as well.
I think diesels got their reputaion from old style non turbos that had iron blocks, low revving, low output, robust cooling and would keep going for hundreds of thousands of miles, my dad used to work on Gardner Bus engines and sometimes they would be pulled from a Bus at half a million miles and turned out to still be fine yet some could be knackered at half that, all to do with oil changes, conditions and how it was run in, no real rhyme or reason to it.
I dont think they are the long distance, high mile paragon of reliability and frugality people perceive them to be nowadays, my cousing ran a 205 D (no turbo) to 250,000 and it was still going strong (engine was, car was horrible), non turbo Golf 1.9 the same then a Leon FR which blows its coolant out of he thrashes it and its only done 80,000 or therabouts and the clutch slips as well.
26 July 2011, 01:34 PM
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lots of miles on a little car, in a short time.
the one engine I do know that runs for ever is a diesel peugeot or citroen block.
my mate 406 estate has 280 miles on by now ! his last pug did 260 before bodywork let go.
my sister's octavia diesel let go big time at 60K. full top end rebuild.
but they love the car and bought another, after they'd added another 60K to the 1st broken one
a mate has just traded his 190k d. passat. no bother at all with it.
the one engine I do know that runs for ever is a diesel peugeot or citroen block.
my mate 406 estate has 280 miles on by now ! his last pug did 260 before bodywork let go.
my sister's octavia diesel let go big time at 60K. full top end rebuild.
but they love the car and bought another, after they'd added another 60K to the 1st broken one
a mate has just traded his 190k d. passat. no bother at all with it.
26 July 2011, 01:52 PM
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I've got 165K on my Passat diesel (PD130), 10 years old. A mate has 200K ish on his 53 Peugeot 406 estate and had 250K+ on the 405 estate he "left" at the garage when he got the 406. As long as you don't get a "rogue" one, which would probably be dead by now anyway, and things like the oil and cambelt has been changed then you should be fine.
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26 July 2011, 02:11 PM
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skoda octavias, constituted around 60-70% of taxis in glasgow when i worked there, most see massive milages. mostly base models.
as said, maintenance is key, along with running in, driving style and a small eliment of luck.
wouldnt like that milage with no histroy
as said, maintenance is key, along with running in, driving style and a small eliment of luck.
wouldnt like that milage with no histroy
26 July 2011, 02:15 PM
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These engines seem to run forever when serviced. At that sort of mileage you should really be looking at other things like bushes and wheel bearings.
26 July 2011, 02:25 PM
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My 330d (de flapped) has done 120k now. Still pulls like a train.
Had to have some major work done on front suspension - but otherwise all's good (promptly touches wood).
Also get 42 mpg
Had to have some major work done on front suspension - but otherwise all's good (promptly touches wood).
Also get 42 mpg
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Oh, if you have the cars REG, you can check with BMW UK to pull any service history (if done through a UK Dealer)
Mine also has all the above
The diff has a clunk when taking up the slack in the drive train. This is one bush that costs £30, a common issue and in no way affects the car other than a gentle thud from the back when you take your foot off the gas while cruising, but you hardly notice it. I've never been inclined to change it, and never would. Both my E46's have done it, and it's a very common issue, no big deal.
The hand brake needs tightening, it's not particularly brilliant.
The Multi changer works when it wants to, same for the parking sensors.
The hand brake needs tightening, it's not particularly brilliant.
The Multi changer works when it wants to, same for the parking sensors.
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26 July 2011, 03:16 PM
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Also with that sort of miles you need to be looking at the suspension and the rest of the drivetrain, ideally all corners would have been replaced, bushes, clutch, etc. Lost history is a real worry.
I ran my pug 406 to 180K on it original engine before selling it on and it is still around. as far as i am aware nothing had been replaced engine/turbo wise. It came with a raft of bill and receipts from day1
I would do some research on that BMW engine as i seem to remember them having a few problems and being serious ££££'s to fix
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I've sent him a message to try and get more info on it
I've found in the past its not the car you need to check with a fine tooth comb its the seller, if they pass with flying colours the cars usually a good one
I've found in the past its not the car you need to check with a fine tooth comb its the seller, if they pass with flying colours the cars usually a good one
26 July 2011, 04:16 PM
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Ive had a TDi Passat (81Kw) for 5.5 years and its now got 185k on the clock, engine is still fine and pulls strong, returns 60mpg if driven well, also manages 50mpg towing a trailer.
Had to replace a few front bushes a couple of years back, so I replaced all the front ones in one go, and just ordered a full set of discs and pads. It really is just so reliable, and theres next to no wear on the interior either.
Had to replace a few front bushes a couple of years back, so I replaced all the front ones in one go, and just ordered a full set of discs and pads. It really is just so reliable, and theres next to no wear on the interior either.
26 July 2011, 05:06 PM
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My little 205 TDi has just passed the 200k mark. Engine is still terrific but it's a well used car and everything else is falling to bits. But it's perfect for my son because no one want to nick it and it does 55 mpg.
But my Volvo petrol turbo is on 180k and my old 405 petrol did 210k before it caught rust.
Have a pal with a Merc 2 litre diesel who retired as a cabbie with 535k on the clock!
But to answer OP's question 194k is pushing it and the rest of the vehicle is likely to be suffering. Rather depends on how the miles were covered.
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But my Volvo petrol turbo is on 180k and my old 405 petrol did 210k before it caught rust.
Have a pal with a Merc 2 litre diesel who retired as a cabbie with 535k on the clock!
But to answer OP's question 194k is pushing it and the rest of the vehicle is likely to be suffering. Rather depends on how the miles were covered.
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Worst heap I saw was a 3 year old Cavalier Diesel with 99,000 miles, it failed it's first MOT on everything.
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P.S. My pal had a new Civic (petrol) the next day...
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P.S. My pal had a new Civic (petrol) the next day...
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I have had a 2005 300k saab 1.9 diesel that ran fine until it it 315k and it started smoking. I also had a 2005 150k saab 2.2 diesel that still runs perfectly now. My friend had a 320k 309 diesel but that was non turbo. I would advise sticking to VAG engines I rarely see BMW's with much more than 150k on them, there are some volvos with 250 plus about as well but I can't say I have ever owned one.
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I almost forgot to mention the 1989 golf I had that did 500k, I drove that golf 4000+ miles across europe with one break for sleep I wish I still had for the sake of history. I would like to reiterate though that the ebay advert you linked too has loads of things that raise alarm bells.
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Some diesels have lots of problems, DPF's, Mercs spitting injectors out through the engine cowl, turbos failing, bits of inlet getting ingested. I dont really think they deserve there reputation for longevity these days, ok some do big milages but so do some petrols, they tend to be heavier on clutches and the rest of the drivetrain and tyres due to more weight and torque, especially the more powerful variants, suspect CrisPDuks Octavia is a lower power model.
I think diesels got their reputaion from old style non turbos that had iron blocks, low revving, low output, robust cooling and would keep going for hundreds of thousands of miles, my dad used to work on Gardner Bus engines and sometimes they would be pulled from a Bus at half a million miles and turned out to still be fine yet some could be knackered at half that, all to do with oil changes, conditions and how it was run in, no real rhyme or reason to it.
I dont think they are the long distance, high mile paragon of reliability and frugality people perceive them to be nowadays, my cousing ran a 205 D (no turbo) to 250,000 and it was still going strong (engine was, car was horrible), non turbo Golf 1.9 the same then a Leon FR which blows its coolant out of he thrashes it and its only done 80,000 or therabouts and the clutch slips as well.
I think diesels got their reputaion from old style non turbos that had iron blocks, low revving, low output, robust cooling and would keep going for hundreds of thousands of miles, my dad used to work on Gardner Bus engines and sometimes they would be pulled from a Bus at half a million miles and turned out to still be fine yet some could be knackered at half that, all to do with oil changes, conditions and how it was run in, no real rhyme or reason to it.
I dont think they are the long distance, high mile paragon of reliability and frugality people perceive them to be nowadays, my cousing ran a 205 D (no turbo) to 250,000 and it was still going strong (engine was, car was horrible), non turbo Golf 1.9 the same then a Leon FR which blows its coolant out of he thrashes it and its only done 80,000 or therabouts and the clutch slips as well.
the car has 12500 miles on it. my dad goes to the shops once a week with my mum ffs. feel like crashing the ****** through the dealers windows. a bundle of $hite that must be the worst build quality ever.
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dont get me started on fooking citroen..... customer services are shocking to say the least......
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Some diesels have lots of problems, DPF's, Mercs spitting injectors out through the engine cowl, turbos failing, bits of inlet getting ingested. I dont really think they deserve there reputation for longevity these days, ok some do big milages but so do some petrols, they tend to be heavier on clutches and the rest of the drivetrain and tyres due to more weight and torque, especially the more powerful variants, suspect CrisPDuks Octavia is a lower power model.
I think diesels got their reputaion from old style non turbos that had iron blocks, low revving, low output, robust cooling and would keep going for hundreds of thousands of miles, my dad used to work on Gardner Bus engines and sometimes they would be pulled from a Bus at half a million miles and turned out to still be fine yet some could be knackered at half that, all to do with oil changes, conditions and how it was run in, no real rhyme or reason to it.
I dont think they are the long distance, high mile paragon of reliability and frugality people perceive them to be nowadays, my cousing ran a 205 D (no turbo) to 250,000 and it was still going strong (engine was, car was horrible), non turbo Golf 1.9 the same then a Leon FR which blows its coolant out of he thrashes it and its only done 80,000 or therabouts and the clutch slips as well.
I think diesels got their reputaion from old style non turbos that had iron blocks, low revving, low output, robust cooling and would keep going for hundreds of thousands of miles, my dad used to work on Gardner Bus engines and sometimes they would be pulled from a Bus at half a million miles and turned out to still be fine yet some could be knackered at half that, all to do with oil changes, conditions and how it was run in, no real rhyme or reason to it.
I dont think they are the long distance, high mile paragon of reliability and frugality people perceive them to be nowadays, my cousing ran a 205 D (no turbo) to 250,000 and it was still going strong (engine was, car was horrible), non turbo Golf 1.9 the same then a Leon FR which blows its coolant out of he thrashes it and its only done 80,000 or therabouts and the clutch slips as well.
I would agree with everything Jacko says, proper diesels are the ones to go for, not the over-tuned petrol engined wannabes
