why is this Government cutting the wrong things!
16 March 2012, 12:56 AM
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why is this Government cutting the wrong things!
Yet again this Government is cutting the wrong things apparently now they are cutting the starting salary for a Police office by 20%
They have been busy making serving Soldiers redundant what the F**k are they thinking, there is plenty of other things to cut first
They have been busy making serving Soldiers redundant what the F**k are they thinking, there is plenty of other things to cut first
16 March 2012, 01:02 AM
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my cousin is a new-ish copper
and in line with rest of the nations services, its no longer about providing adequate service, but all about ticking boxes that at audit time give a positive refelection/protect the company from law suits US style
and in line with rest of the nations services, its no longer about providing adequate service, but all about ticking boxes that at audit time give a positive refelection/protect the company from law suits US style
16 March 2012, 01:56 AM
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I think the fact they are cutting the wage just shows the opinon they have of the value of a Proffessional Police force and also the idea of fast tracking people with degrees to the top with no practical experience of Policing who will then set operational policy it makes me so angry that they can do such stupid things.
16 March 2012, 11:03 AM
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View from the "frontline", so to speak ... http://inspectorgadget.wordpress.com...tish-policing/ ...
The thing is the government have said to councils/police/whoever - 'make X% cuts'. They have not stated 'do not affect front-line services' which means that the first thing the management do is cut front-line services, partly to save their own cushy jobs and partly so they can say 'see, the nasty gov. has made us cut your vital services. Not our fault ...' ... as they ride off into the sunset in their expensive cars to their expensive houses all provided by the take from central or local government taxes. i.e. we're all getting shafted!
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The thing is the government have said to councils/police/whoever - 'make X% cuts'. They have not stated 'do not affect front-line services' which means that the first thing the management do is cut front-line services, partly to save their own cushy jobs and partly so they can say 'see, the nasty gov. has made us cut your vital services. Not our fault ...' ... as they ride off into the sunset in their expensive cars to their expensive houses all provided by the take from central or local government taxes. i.e. we're all getting shafted!
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16 March 2012, 11:10 AM
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See below......... maybe it's to offset the cost of police pensions which are arguably the most generous of the public sector pensions
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The PPS provides a two thirds final-salary pension payable at 50 after 30 years service. There is a 1/60th accrual rate for the first 20 years then accrual is at 2/60ths for the final 10 years to give 40/60ths after 30 years.
The NPPS scheme started in April 2006.
The normal pension age is at 55. The pension aims to be half final salary, plus a lump sum of four-times annual pension, after 35 years' service. So the accrual rate is 1/70th to produce a maximum 35/70ths pension.
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The PPS provides a two thirds final-salary pension payable at 50 after 30 years service. There is a 1/60th accrual rate for the first 20 years then accrual is at 2/60ths for the final 10 years to give 40/60ths after 30 years.
The NPPS scheme started in April 2006.
The normal pension age is at 55. The pension aims to be half final salary, plus a lump sum of four-times annual pension, after 35 years' service. So the accrual rate is 1/70th to produce a maximum 35/70ths pension.
16 March 2012, 11:28 AM
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This report was done by a proven liar
http://m.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/oct/...k&type=article
Dont think for one nano-second this is an independant report, this is a 100% gov report.
Be very scared folks this is the serious begining of the end of independant UK Policing. Get ready for private police s***e and policing for profit from here on in
Read the Inspector Gadget website to see what this nonsense is all really like
http://m.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/oct/...k&type=article
Dont think for one nano-second this is an independant report, this is a 100% gov report.
Be very scared folks this is the serious begining of the end of independant UK Policing. Get ready for private police s***e and policing for profit from here on in
Read the Inspector Gadget website to see what this nonsense is all really like
16 March 2012, 11:59 AM
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He's a carpenter/builder these days. Says its a much more honest living where his efforts have something to show for at the end of the day.
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16 March 2012, 02:05 PM
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This report was done by a proven liar
http://m.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/oct/...k&type=article
Dont think for one nano-second this is an independant report, this is a 100% gov report.
Be very scared folks this is the serious begining of the end of independant UK Policing. Get ready for private police s***e and policing for profit from here on in
Read the Inspector Gadget website to see what this nonsense is all really like
http://m.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/oct/...k&type=article
Dont think for one nano-second this is an independant report, this is a 100% gov report.
Be very scared folks this is the serious begining of the end of independant UK Policing. Get ready for private police s***e and policing for profit from here on in
Read the Inspector Gadget website to see what this nonsense is all really like
16 March 2012, 05:19 PM
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16 March 2012, 07:42 PM
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The police will be paying 12.5% of their pay in pensions contributions as of next month, which is a hell of a lot more than near enough all other public sector workers. No-one ever see's fit to mention that though
16 March 2012, 07:57 PM
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From next month I pay 11.4 % (I think that's about right, might be a tad more)...... I get 50% of my salary after 40 years service.
Actually If I was a policeman I could retire this year on 2/3rds of my salary...........Does anyone in the police force mention that ?
As it is I need to work for another 10 years to get my pension
Actually If I was a policeman I could retire this year on 2/3rds of my salary...........Does anyone in the police force mention that ?
As it is I need to work for another 10 years to get my pension
16 March 2012, 08:17 PM
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just had my council tax bill through and the amount for the police has a 5% rise added so where is that extra money going if they are cutting jobs ad wages??? plus cutting army pensions as well.cant wait for election time.......
16 March 2012, 11:38 PM
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Oh, I dunno. Harperson is going a great job of flying the labour flag. See the video here ... http://order-order.com/2012/03/16/ha...n-bankers-tax/ ..... 
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18 March 2012, 08:44 AM
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What is a normal coppers wage after his/her initail induction ??
£600-£700 a week ??
I have never seen a skint copper,they all have that "im considerbly richer than you" attitude about them...
£600-£700 a week ??
I have never seen a skint copper,they all have that "im considerbly richer than you" attitude about them...
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18 March 2012, 10:15 AM
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http://www.annaraccoon.com/politics/...atwalk-copper/
And:
Crime is going up, so we should reduce the number of police and undermine their morale. Such is the apparent direction of Government policy. Police spending is being cut by 20 per cent; the number of police officers has already plummeted. In the 12 months to the end of September 2011, the number of officers fell by 6,144 to 138,871, the lowest since 2002.
Over the same period, according to the British Crime Survey (BCS), crime increased by 4 per cent from 9.3 million to 9.7 million. Crime in public, including theft from the person and violence, varies with the availability of the police: such crimes have increased most. Personal crime, a category including violent crime, rose by 11 per cent. In London, where police numbers fell by over 1,200, robberies were up 13 per cent.
The Government prefers police-recorded crime, which shows a fall from 4.2 million to 4.1 million offences. But the ethics of crime recording were undermined by the last government’s target regime. Many forces have “crime management units”, nicknamed “crime massage units” by most coppers. The BCS is a large sample survey of over 46,000 adults, which is far less prone to manipulation.
Their 2010 manifesto gave the impression that Conservatives respected public servants and promised to restore “professional discretion” to the police. This week, however, it has published the Winsor report, which speaks of the police with disdain. The roots of policing, it says, lie in “blue-collar work for skilled manual workers who clock in and out”. It reinforces the “lower social and professional standing” of police officers. The report wants them to have skills “distinctly above those of factory workers”. It’s almost as if Mr Winsor thinks the Miss Marple books encapsulate modern policing, in which detectives are easily outwitted by an old spinster, and rank and file bobbies are politely requested to go to the back entrance where cook will give them a cup of tea.
The report notes that there are many candidates for police vacancies and concludes that the Government could cut starting pay. But any good employer knows that if you want motivated staff, you don’t insult them by appearing to pay as little as you can get away with. Not to mention the fact that the police are expected to put their own lives at risk for the public good. And not forgetting the fact that bribery is commonplace in overseas countries with low-paid police forces and no sense of vocation.
The police are currently banned from going on strike and in return they have a special pay negotiating board and security of tenure. They can be dismissed, but only for serious misconduct. The Winsor report argues that it should be possible to make them redundant whenever budgets are tight. It shows no awareness that, if we want individuals to feel that to be a police officer is to have a vocation and not just a job, then it is right to provide a lifelong career with a pension.
Of course, the police, like other public services, will benefit from sustained pressure to eliminate waste, but overdoing this could threaten public safety. The Conservatives’ 2010 manifesto was conscious that we had a serious crime problem and promised to stop the early release of criminals and to increase prison capacity “as necessary”. In office this pledge was forgotten, and they have been trying to reduce the prison population. As it happens, the high level of crime has defeated them and our prisons now have over 87,000 inmates. In the circumstances, cutting back the police does not seem wise, but still they persist.
Under Mrs Thatcher, the Tories had a reputation for economic competence. They lost it in the early 1990s and never got it back. Now they are in danger of irrevocably losing their reputation as reliable crime fighters.
David Green is Director of Civitas
And:
Crime is going up, so we should reduce the number of police and undermine their morale. Such is the apparent direction of Government policy. Police spending is being cut by 20 per cent; the number of police officers has already plummeted. In the 12 months to the end of September 2011, the number of officers fell by 6,144 to 138,871, the lowest since 2002.
Over the same period, according to the British Crime Survey (BCS), crime increased by 4 per cent from 9.3 million to 9.7 million. Crime in public, including theft from the person and violence, varies with the availability of the police: such crimes have increased most. Personal crime, a category including violent crime, rose by 11 per cent. In London, where police numbers fell by over 1,200, robberies were up 13 per cent.
The Government prefers police-recorded crime, which shows a fall from 4.2 million to 4.1 million offences. But the ethics of crime recording were undermined by the last government’s target regime. Many forces have “crime management units”, nicknamed “crime massage units” by most coppers. The BCS is a large sample survey of over 46,000 adults, which is far less prone to manipulation.
Their 2010 manifesto gave the impression that Conservatives respected public servants and promised to restore “professional discretion” to the police. This week, however, it has published the Winsor report, which speaks of the police with disdain. The roots of policing, it says, lie in “blue-collar work for skilled manual workers who clock in and out”. It reinforces the “lower social and professional standing” of police officers. The report wants them to have skills “distinctly above those of factory workers”. It’s almost as if Mr Winsor thinks the Miss Marple books encapsulate modern policing, in which detectives are easily outwitted by an old spinster, and rank and file bobbies are politely requested to go to the back entrance where cook will give them a cup of tea.
The report notes that there are many candidates for police vacancies and concludes that the Government could cut starting pay. But any good employer knows that if you want motivated staff, you don’t insult them by appearing to pay as little as you can get away with. Not to mention the fact that the police are expected to put their own lives at risk for the public good. And not forgetting the fact that bribery is commonplace in overseas countries with low-paid police forces and no sense of vocation.
The police are currently banned from going on strike and in return they have a special pay negotiating board and security of tenure. They can be dismissed, but only for serious misconduct. The Winsor report argues that it should be possible to make them redundant whenever budgets are tight. It shows no awareness that, if we want individuals to feel that to be a police officer is to have a vocation and not just a job, then it is right to provide a lifelong career with a pension.
Of course, the police, like other public services, will benefit from sustained pressure to eliminate waste, but overdoing this could threaten public safety. The Conservatives’ 2010 manifesto was conscious that we had a serious crime problem and promised to stop the early release of criminals and to increase prison capacity “as necessary”. In office this pledge was forgotten, and they have been trying to reduce the prison population. As it happens, the high level of crime has defeated them and our prisons now have over 87,000 inmates. In the circumstances, cutting back the police does not seem wise, but still they persist.
Under Mrs Thatcher, the Tories had a reputation for economic competence. They lost it in the early 1990s and never got it back. Now they are in danger of irrevocably losing their reputation as reliable crime fighters.
David Green is Director of Civitas
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