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Old 03 May 2012, 10:32 PM
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Default Just because its legal, does it make it moral and just.

unashamedly stolen from another forum, apologies if its been done before

but a lot of countries have there own laws which may seem "crazy" compared to others moral standards and acceptability - again almost stolen quote.

but worth a discussion?
Old 03 May 2012, 10:56 PM
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when I was working in Albania all the cars on the roads have been stolen from other country's
and its legal to drive them there one car is beat up old vw then the next is a top of the range
merc supercharged coupe.
there are no car dealerships in Albania and it is legal to drive a car stolen from another country
as long as you register it in Albania

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Old 03 May 2012, 11:03 PM
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Abortion or the use condoms or drugs to prevent conception
Old 03 May 2012, 11:21 PM
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Gun sales to the public in the US and other countries, crazy if u ask me !!
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Sell all the guns you want.

Tax bullets - if each round was circa $150 a pop, there'd be less gun crime
Old 03 May 2012, 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by scoobywrxwagon
Gun sales to the public in the US and other countries, crazy if u ask me !!
Gun laws in the USA means there are a lot less stabbings per capita compared to the UK.
Old 03 May 2012, 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by BlkKnight
Sell all the guns you want.

Tax bullets - if each round was circa $150 a pop, there'd be less gun crime
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWjhTWv9eUs
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Originally Posted by craigo
Abortion or the use condoms or drugs to prevent conception
Does this post mean you think that it is morally wrong to do the above?
Old 04 May 2012, 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Lisawrx
Does this post mean you think that it is morally wrong to do the above?
Thats not really in question now is it. What i think matters jot. Of course i have views. What i really care about is etiquette in general. Posted an apology to the ladies of sn earlier. What did i hear back from them, Ziltch..... tut tut
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Originally Posted by Lisawrx
Does this post mean you think that it is morally wrong to do the above?
You blatently posted this to taunt me. Shame on you ! I can show whichever guise i choose, you however must show consistency.
Old 04 May 2012, 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by craigo
You blatently posted this to taunt me. Shame on you ! I can show whichever guise i choose, you however must show consistency.
Jesus, get a grip! Yes, I may have disagreed with you on one thread, that was that. I was genuinely interested in your actual opinion given the comment you made, and would have asked the same thing regardless of who had posted it.
Old 04 May 2012, 10:32 AM
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Referring to the OP - Yes I find it a bit weird sometimes.

For example - BRAKE, in the UK, would have you believe that anything over 70 on the motorway is akin to murdering your mother and any speed over the limit is morally wrong. Go over to France - same car's, same drivers, same types of roads and same weather (Northern France at least) and 80 is OK. So does that mean 75 is bad, illegal and should never have been even thought about by the sane person? Yes - according to BRAKE in this country.

Then some other weird laws governing things like gambling in the US. Apparently even thinking about placing a bet means lying with the devil. Over here and we all enjoy a bet and done sensibly - it's fun.

Yes bad things can happen (getting addicted to gambling, have a high speed accident). But I find it amusing that a line one country can draw is different to others when we have broadly similar, western, societies. And often the justification is based on making people feel bad in a moral sense (it's bad to speed, it's bad to gamble, etc) not because it's plain dangerous and will directly hurt someone.

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Old 04 May 2012, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Miniman
Referring to the OP - Yes I find it a bit weird sometimes.

For example - BRAKE, in the UK, would have you believe that anything over 70 on the motorway is akin to murdering your mother and any speed over the limit is morally wrong. Go over to France - same car's, same drivers, same types of roads and same weather (Northern France at least) and 80 is OK. So does that mean 75 is bad, illegal and should never have been even thought about by the sane person? Yes - according to BRAKE in this country.

Then some other weird laws governing things like gambling in the US. Apparently even thinking about placing a bet means lying with the devil. Over here and we all enjoy a bet and done sensibly - it's fun.

Yes bad things can happen (getting addicted to gambling, have a high speed accident). But I find it amusing that a line one country can draw is different to others when we have broadly similar, western, societies. And often the justification is based on making people feel bad in a moral sense (it's bad to speed, it's bad to gamble, etc) not because it's plain dangerous and will directly hurt someone.
Good post.
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Well locking up women who have been raped might be a starting point

In this country some 70 year old perv' screwing some vulnerable 16 year old perhaps?

dl
Old 04 May 2012, 01:19 PM
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Interesting. Do we think our laws are better because of our familiarity with them?

What things should be legalised in the UK, and what should we legislate against?

Tradition has a role, hence why we allow alcohol and horseriding, but not ecstasy and speeding.

We consider it cruel not to euthanase animals, yet do allow the same option for humans.

Do we let health and safety and human rights get in the way of what most people consider common sense and moral?

Overall though, I feel happy with much of British law. Maybe it is familiarity and tradition, or maybe we are one of the better places in the world to protect the vulnerable and allow strong contracts that still allow us to do good business and be competitive.
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Apart from European law, were doing ok in the UK.

Who controls Europe, zee Germans

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Old 04 May 2012, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by john banks
Do we let health and safety and human rights get in the way of what most people consider common sense and moral?
Without a doubt.
Yes, there's a fine balance in a lot of cases.
School discipline for example, there is no discipline in schools whatsoever.
When I was at school there was probably too much of it, but schools most definitely do need some back again

Immigration though - its just wrong what we allow
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Originally Posted by craigo
Abortion or the use condoms or drugs to prevent conception
However much one can argue about it, abortion is after all, the taking of a life once it had been started.

Les
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Originally Posted by nizmo80
when I was working the streets in Albania all the cars on the roads have been stolen from other country's
and its legal to drive them there one car is beat up old vw then the next is a top of the range
merc supercharged coupe.
there are no car dealerships in Albania and it is legal to drive a car stolen from another country
as long as you register it in Albania
Is that where you got yours?
Old 05 May 2012, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Twin Fields
Is that where you got yours?
Sure was
Old 05 May 2012, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by nizmo80
Sure was
Whilst "working the streets" in Albania?

OK!
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oh you naughty naughty fella
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Originally Posted by nizmo80
oh you naughty naughty fella
It's funny being able to doctor other peoples posts.
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LOL
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Originally Posted by Leslie
However much one can argue about it, abortion is after all, the taking of a life once it had been started.

Les
If your loved one was raped, and became pregnant, what would you do? Don't think I could bond with that child, not to mention the huge strain it would put on your relationship. It's an extreme case, but I'm sure it's happened....
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Originally Posted by classic Subaru Si
If your loved one was raped, and became pregnant, what would you do? Don't think I could bond with that child, not to mention the huge strain it would put on your relationship. It's an extreme case, but I'm sure it's happened....
Probably in Eastenders or Coronation Street, not that I watch either!
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Originally Posted by what would scooby do
Gun laws in the USA means there are a lot less stabbings per capita compared to the UK.
And also, you are actually ALLOWED to defend your home against intruders unlike this sh1thole country where some scum break into your house, you defend it and end up getting done!
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one negative influence form H&S for me is unrealistic training scenarios, using lpg instead of kerosine based fuels, its just not as much fun lol
however it does mean we can use compartment fire training facility, to veiw, pyrolisation/flashover buildup and backdrafts if needed - and in relative saftey
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Originally Posted by jef
one negative influence form H&S for me is unrealistic training scenarios, using lpg instead of kerosine based fuels, its just not as much fun lol
however it does mean we can use compartment fire training facility, to veiw, pyrolisation/flashover buildup and backdrafts if needed - and in relative saftey

Is this an in-depth reply to your original post?

dl
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Originally Posted by David Lock
Is this an in-depth reply to your original post?

dl
nope

edited to add, however its been quite interesting to read peoples thoughts.

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