Just because its legal, does it make it moral and just.
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Just because its legal, does it make it moral and just.
unashamedly stolen from another forum, apologies if its been done before
but a lot of countries have there own laws which may seem "crazy" compared to others moral standards and acceptability - again almost stolen quote.
but worth a discussion?
but a lot of countries have there own laws which may seem "crazy" compared to others moral standards and acceptability - again almost stolen quote.
but worth a discussion?
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when I was working in Albania all the cars on the roads have been stolen from other country's
and its legal to drive them there one car is beat up old vw then the next is a top of the range
merc supercharged coupe.
there are no car dealerships in Albania and it is legal to drive a car stolen from another country
as long as you register it in Albania
and its legal to drive them there one car is beat up old vw then the next is a top of the range
merc supercharged coupe.
there are no car dealerships in Albania and it is legal to drive a car stolen from another country
as long as you register it in Albania
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Thats not really in question now is it. What i think matters jot. Of course i have views. What i really care about is etiquette in general. Posted an apology to the ladies of sn earlier. What did i hear back from them, Ziltch..... tut tut
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Referring to the OP - Yes I find it a bit weird sometimes.
For example - BRAKE, in the UK, would have you believe that anything over 70 on the motorway is akin to murdering your mother and any speed over the limit is morally wrong. Go over to France - same car's, same drivers, same types of roads and same weather (Northern France at least) and 80 is OK. So does that mean 75 is bad, illegal and should never have been even thought about by the sane person? Yes - according to BRAKE in this country.
Then some other weird laws governing things like gambling in the US. Apparently even thinking about placing a bet means lying with the devil. Over here and we all enjoy a bet and done sensibly - it's fun.
Yes bad things can happen (getting addicted to gambling, have a high speed accident). But I find it amusing that a line one country can draw is different to others when we have broadly similar, western, societies. And often the justification is based on making people feel bad in a moral sense (it's bad to speed, it's bad to gamble, etc) not because it's plain dangerous and will directly hurt someone.
For example - BRAKE, in the UK, would have you believe that anything over 70 on the motorway is akin to murdering your mother and any speed over the limit is morally wrong. Go over to France - same car's, same drivers, same types of roads and same weather (Northern France at least) and 80 is OK. So does that mean 75 is bad, illegal and should never have been even thought about by the sane person? Yes - according to BRAKE in this country.
Then some other weird laws governing things like gambling in the US. Apparently even thinking about placing a bet means lying with the devil. Over here and we all enjoy a bet and done sensibly - it's fun.
Yes bad things can happen (getting addicted to gambling, have a high speed accident). But I find it amusing that a line one country can draw is different to others when we have broadly similar, western, societies. And often the justification is based on making people feel bad in a moral sense (it's bad to speed, it's bad to gamble, etc) not because it's plain dangerous and will directly hurt someone.
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Referring to the OP - Yes I find it a bit weird sometimes.
For example - BRAKE, in the UK, would have you believe that anything over 70 on the motorway is akin to murdering your mother and any speed over the limit is morally wrong. Go over to France - same car's, same drivers, same types of roads and same weather (Northern France at least) and 80 is OK. So does that mean 75 is bad, illegal and should never have been even thought about by the sane person? Yes - according to BRAKE in this country.
Then some other weird laws governing things like gambling in the US. Apparently even thinking about placing a bet means lying with the devil. Over here and we all enjoy a bet and done sensibly - it's fun.
Yes bad things can happen (getting addicted to gambling, have a high speed accident). But I find it amusing that a line one country can draw is different to others when we have broadly similar, western, societies. And often the justification is based on making people feel bad in a moral sense (it's bad to speed, it's bad to gamble, etc) not because it's plain dangerous and will directly hurt someone.
For example - BRAKE, in the UK, would have you believe that anything over 70 on the motorway is akin to murdering your mother and any speed over the limit is morally wrong. Go over to France - same car's, same drivers, same types of roads and same weather (Northern France at least) and 80 is OK. So does that mean 75 is bad, illegal and should never have been even thought about by the sane person? Yes - according to BRAKE in this country.
Then some other weird laws governing things like gambling in the US. Apparently even thinking about placing a bet means lying with the devil. Over here and we all enjoy a bet and done sensibly - it's fun.
Yes bad things can happen (getting addicted to gambling, have a high speed accident). But I find it amusing that a line one country can draw is different to others when we have broadly similar, western, societies. And often the justification is based on making people feel bad in a moral sense (it's bad to speed, it's bad to gamble, etc) not because it's plain dangerous and will directly hurt someone.
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Well locking up women who have been raped might be a starting point
In this country some 70 year old perv' screwing some vulnerable 16 year old perhaps?
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In this country some 70 year old perv' screwing some vulnerable 16 year old perhaps?
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Interesting. Do we think our laws are better because of our familiarity with them?
What things should be legalised in the UK, and what should we legislate against?
Tradition has a role, hence why we allow alcohol and horseriding, but not ecstasy and speeding.
We consider it cruel not to euthanase animals, yet do allow the same option for humans.
Do we let health and safety and human rights get in the way of what most people consider common sense and moral?
Overall though, I feel happy with much of British law. Maybe it is familiarity and tradition, or maybe we are one of the better places in the world to protect the vulnerable and allow strong contracts that still allow us to do good business and be competitive.
What things should be legalised in the UK, and what should we legislate against?
Tradition has a role, hence why we allow alcohol and horseriding, but not ecstasy and speeding.
We consider it cruel not to euthanase animals, yet do allow the same option for humans.
Do we let health and safety and human rights get in the way of what most people consider common sense and moral?
Overall though, I feel happy with much of British law. Maybe it is familiarity and tradition, or maybe we are one of the better places in the world to protect the vulnerable and allow strong contracts that still allow us to do good business and be competitive.
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Yes, there's a fine balance in a lot of cases.
School discipline for example, there is no discipline in schools whatsoever.
When I was at school there was probably too much of it, but schools most definitely do need some back again
Immigration though - its just wrong what we allow
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when I was working the streets in Albania all the cars on the roads have been stolen from other country's
and its legal to drive them there one car is beat up old vw then the next is a top of the range
merc supercharged coupe.
there are no car dealerships in Albania and it is legal to drive a car stolen from another country
as long as you register it in Albania
and its legal to drive them there one car is beat up old vw then the next is a top of the range
merc supercharged coupe.
there are no car dealerships in Albania and it is legal to drive a car stolen from another country
as long as you register it in Albania
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If your loved one was raped, and became pregnant, what would you do? Don't think I could bond with that child, not to mention the huge strain it would put on your relationship. It's an extreme case, but I'm sure it's happened....
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Probably in Eastenders or Coronation Street, not that I watch either!
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And also, you are actually ALLOWED to defend your home against intruders unlike this sh1thole country where some scum break into your house, you defend it and end up getting done!
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one negative influence form H&S for me is unrealistic training scenarios, using lpg instead of kerosine based fuels, its just not as much fun lol
however it does mean we can use compartment fire training facility, to veiw, pyrolisation/flashover buildup and backdrafts if needed - and in relative saftey
however it does mean we can use compartment fire training facility, to veiw, pyrolisation/flashover buildup and backdrafts if needed - and in relative saftey
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one negative influence form H&S for me is unrealistic training scenarios, using lpg instead of kerosine based fuels, its just not as much fun lol
however it does mean we can use compartment fire training facility, to veiw, pyrolisation/flashover buildup and backdrafts if needed - and in relative saftey
however it does mean we can use compartment fire training facility, to veiw, pyrolisation/flashover buildup and backdrafts if needed - and in relative saftey
Is this an in-depth reply to your original post?
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