View Poll Results: Is it unreasonable?
No - it's not unreasonable
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66.67%
Yes - it's totally unreasonable
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Poll on immigrant behaviour
19 July 2012, 09:48 PM
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Poll on immigrant behaviour
Is it reasonable to expect longer-term visitors to a country to hold themselves to better standards of behaviour than the indigenous population?
It's not at all reasonable - vote YES
It's perfectly reasonable - vote NO
Edit:
Tried to edit the poll to sort out the silly double-negative thing, but doesn't seem to let me. So it's still clear, the 'NO' votes are saying it's reasonable to expect, the 'YES' votes are saying it's not reasonable.
It's not at all reasonable - vote YES
It's perfectly reasonable - vote NO
Edit:
Tried to edit the poll to sort out the silly double-negative thing, but doesn't seem to let me. So it's still clear, the 'NO' votes are saying it's reasonable to expect, the 'YES' votes are saying it's not reasonable.
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19 July 2012, 09:51 PM
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But we have a method of ensuring we can get shot of immigrant trouble makers through deportation. We don't have that luxury with the home-grown idiots.
19 July 2012, 09:54 PM
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bit of a loaded question that, i've come accross some brits who are quite frankly complete tossers and shouldn't be allowed to procreate.
Personaly i expect people to follow our laws and the moral norm of the country, beyond that i dont care where there from
Personaly i expect people to follow our laws and the moral norm of the country, beyond that i dont care where there from
19 July 2012, 09:55 PM
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19 July 2012, 10:06 PM
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Strange way to phrase the question. Why not just ask if it's reasonable?
I don't think it is. One rule for the privileged and one for anyone else? Doesn't seem very fair.
I don't think it is. One rule for the privileged and one for anyone else? Doesn't seem very fair.
19 July 2012, 10:10 PM
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I am beginning to believe we're already doomed.
In the last 2 months I have seen:
1.About 9:30 on a weekday morning on a main road in a nice leafy suburb which is also on a bus route used by schools a black guy in his 20's just unzips his flies & proceeds to pi** up against the hedge.
2.Queueing for petrol a Rumanian registered 3 series BMW with a family in it pulls up & the mother gets out & starts trying to sell dodgy 'gold' jewellery.
Please tell me there is still hope for this country.
In the last 2 months I have seen:
1.About 9:30 on a weekday morning on a main road in a nice leafy suburb which is also on a bus route used by schools a black guy in his 20's just unzips his flies & proceeds to pi** up against the hedge.
2.Queueing for petrol a Rumanian registered 3 series BMW with a family in it pulls up & the mother gets out & starts trying to sell dodgy 'gold' jewellery.
Please tell me there is still hope for this country.
20 July 2012, 01:03 AM
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I am beginning to believe we're already doomed.
In the last 2 months I have seen:
1.About 9:30 on a weekday morning on a main road in a nice leafy suburb which is also on a bus route used by schools a black guy in his 20's just unzips his flies & proceeds to pi** up against the hedge.
2.Queueing for petrol a Rumanian registered 3 series BMW with a family in it pulls up & the mother gets out & starts trying to sell dodgy 'gold' jewellery.
Please tell me there is still hope for this country.
In the last 2 months I have seen:
1.About 9:30 on a weekday morning on a main road in a nice leafy suburb which is also on a bus route used by schools a black guy in his 20's just unzips his flies & proceeds to pi** up against the hedge.
2.Queueing for petrol a Rumanian registered 3 series BMW with a family in it pulls up & the mother gets out & starts trying to sell dodgy 'gold' jewellery.
Please tell me there is still hope for this country.
1. Bloke stands inside a shop just beside the till/trolley area and proceeds to sh*t his pants all over the floor and then happily just walks out of the store. No apology, no acknowledgement.
2. Within about 10 or so minutes of each other, two separate children **** on the floor, with parents nearby. Now I accept accidents happen but in one case, I alert the parent as she is leaving a trail along the floor(as he was clearly ignoring the poor girl saying she needed the toilet) and he just grabs her arm and walks away. The other, as I later found out, were standing laughing as I cleaned up the mess, not at that point knowing what it was. Now I may be living on a different planet, but in either situation, I would apologise and offer to clean it up, I certainly wouldn't just walk away, or worse laugh about it. In the latter situation, I actually quietly stopped the parents after I found out what happened, only to be told to **** off.
3. Standing in my local off licence when a pair come in trying to sell shop lifted goods, believe me, I could tell.
I could carry on with examples all night if I could be bothered. What worries me is how much more frequently I see these things. Respect is clearly going out of fashion, quickly.
Just for balance, I'll add one in that wasn't white/british, but I'm not stating what (doesn't really matter, but I rightly or wrongly would have expected better). I was in the car park outside work on my break when a car pulled up and his wife got out to go shopping. If you're lucky, he was about 6ft away, when he went to the side of the car and had a ****. Now I often just think things, but this was out of order imo, so I actually made a comment, only to be told, I shouldn't be there. A few words were exchanged (none offensive on my part) but he just couldn't see why I thought what he did was not very decent.
The odd thing is, I see a lot of poor manners, but I couldn't say any 'group' of people are worse, i.e. foreign, young, old, more 'common' etc. I'm working class, from a council estate and not that old, yet I wouldn't dream of behaving the way some people do. I just don't get some people.
20 July 2012, 07:35 AM
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Doomed, maybe, but I'm not sure any 'group' (foreigners or home grown) are more to blame. Here are some examples for balance, all white/british.
1. Bloke stands inside a shop just beside the till/trolley area and proceeds to sh*t his pants all over the floor and then happily just walks out of the store. No apology, no acknowledgement.
2. Within about 10 or so minutes of each other, two separate children **** on the floor, with parents nearby. Now I accept accidents happen but in one case, I alert the parent as she is leaving a trail along the floor(as he was clearly ignoring the poor girl saying she needed the toilet) and he just grabs her arm and walks away. The other, as I later found out, were standing laughing as I cleaned up the mess, not at that point knowing what it was. Now I may be living on a different planet, but in either situation, I would apologise and offer to clean it up, I certainly wouldn't just walk away, or worse laugh about it. In the latter situation, I actually quietly stopped the parents after I found out what happened, only to be told to **** off.
3. Standing in my local off licence when a pair come in trying to sell shop lifted goods, believe me, I could tell.
I could carry on with examples all night if I could be bothered. What worries me is how much more frequently I see these things. Respect is clearly going out of fashion, quickly.
1. Bloke stands inside a shop just beside the till/trolley area and proceeds to sh*t his pants all over the floor and then happily just walks out of the store. No apology, no acknowledgement.
2. Within about 10 or so minutes of each other, two separate children **** on the floor, with parents nearby. Now I accept accidents happen but in one case, I alert the parent as she is leaving a trail along the floor(as he was clearly ignoring the poor girl saying she needed the toilet) and he just grabs her arm and walks away. The other, as I later found out, were standing laughing as I cleaned up the mess, not at that point knowing what it was. Now I may be living on a different planet, but in either situation, I would apologise and offer to clean it up, I certainly wouldn't just walk away, or worse laugh about it. In the latter situation, I actually quietly stopped the parents after I found out what happened, only to be told to **** off.
3. Standing in my local off licence when a pair come in trying to sell shop lifted goods, believe me, I could tell.
I could carry on with examples all night if I could be bothered. What worries me is how much more frequently I see these things. Respect is clearly going out of fashion, quickly.
20 July 2012, 08:37 AM
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How many times must people post the same information before the that acorn of a brain you have actually absorbs it. I won't retype it, as I fear you still won't understand the extremely simple concept. Maybe someone with more time will draw you a picture
20 July 2012, 09:01 AM
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What a manipulative little weasel post
How many times must people post the same information before the that acorn of a brain you have actually absorbs it. I won't retype it, as I fear you still won't understand the extremely simple concept. Maybe someone with more time will draw you a picture
How many times must people post the same information before the that acorn of a brain you have actually absorbs it. I won't retype it, as I fear you still won't understand the extremely simple concept. Maybe someone with more time will draw you a picture
Your buttons are so easy to push... most fun I've had in ages
20 July 2012, 09:11 AM
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It isn't as easy as yes and no.
I've only spent time with a polish woman who was particularly well behaved. There are a few pols where I live but they keep to themselves.
My experiences with the asian community are somewhat mixed and have only ever been attacked by asians.
My experience of my fellow brits is also somewhat mixed having seen the good and the shockingly bad.
The point is you get some good and some bad. The problem is when you meet a bad one and they are foreign that gets thrown in as a reason for their behaviour rather than the individual is just a c*nt anyway.
I've only spent time with a polish woman who was particularly well behaved. There are a few pols where I live but they keep to themselves.
My experiences with the asian community are somewhat mixed and have only ever been attacked by asians.
My experience of my fellow brits is also somewhat mixed having seen the good and the shockingly bad.
The point is you get some good and some bad. The problem is when you meet a bad one and they are foreign that gets thrown in as a reason for their behaviour rather than the individual is just a c*nt anyway.
20 July 2012, 09:54 AM
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It isn't as easy as yes and no.
I've only spent time with a polish woman who was particularly well behaved. There are a few pols where I live but they keep to themselves.
My experiences with the asian community are somewhat mixed and have only ever been attacked by asians.
My experience of my fellow brits is also somewhat mixed having seen the good and the shockingly bad.
The point is you get some good and some bad. The problem is when you meet a bad one and they are foreign that gets thrown in as a reason for their behaviour rather than the individual is just a c*nt anyway.
I've only spent time with a polish woman who was particularly well behaved. There are a few pols where I live but they keep to themselves.
My experiences with the asian community are somewhat mixed and have only ever been attacked by asians.
My experience of my fellow brits is also somewhat mixed having seen the good and the shockingly bad.
The point is you get some good and some bad. The problem is when you meet a bad one and they are foreign that gets thrown in as a reason for their behaviour rather than the individual is just a c*nt anyway.
so was exposed to a pretty eclectic ethnic mix
the only issues I ever had were with Scousers - really aggressive and nasty
and re "Asians", I spent some time in India and northern Pakistan – and a nicer, more courteous and generous people you could not hope to meet
what happens to them when they get here
20 July 2012, 11:24 AM
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More interestingly, a poll to ask the immigrants what they think of us brits in THEIR country, when we're on the beer, causing fights, wrecking stuff and all the rest of it.
We're not held in high regard either.
Theres good and bad in everyone. We need to make ourselves squeaky clean before we can judge everyone else by our standard.
We're not held in high regard either.
Theres good and bad in everyone. We need to make ourselves squeaky clean before we can judge everyone else by our standard.
20 July 2012, 11:28 AM
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More interestingly, a poll to ask the immigrants what they think of us brits in THEIR country, when we're on the beer, causing fights, wrecking stuff and all the rest of it.
We're not held in high regard either.
Theres good and bad in everyone. We need to make ourselves squeaky clean before we can judge everyone else by our standard.
We're not held in high regard either.
Theres good and bad in everyone. We need to make ourselves squeaky clean before we can judge everyone else by our standard.
20 July 2012, 12:19 PM
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the question is whether the percentage rate of immigrant wastrels, pikeys, scum, criminals and aggravators is higher than that of the locals?
it's probably pretty similar, i'll wager. i'm against the foul elements of our society regardless of where they originated.
it's probably pretty similar, i'll wager. i'm against the foul elements of our society regardless of where they originated.
20 July 2012, 12:24 PM
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in my first 40 years, born and growing up (drinking / clubbing / parting) in Notting Hill Gate, West London
so was exposed to a pretty eclectic ethnic mix
the only issues I ever had were with Scousers - really aggressive and nasty
and re "Asians", I spent some time in India and northern Pakistan – and a nicer, more courteous and generous people you could not hope to meet
what happens to them when they get here
so was exposed to a pretty eclectic ethnic mix
the only issues I ever had were with Scousers - really aggressive and nasty
and re "Asians", I spent some time in India and northern Pakistan – and a nicer, more courteous and generous people you could not hope to meet
what happens to them when they get here
More interestingly, a poll to ask the immigrants what they think of us brits in THEIR country, when we're on the beer, causing fights, wrecking stuff and all the rest of it.
We're not held in high regard either.
Theres good and bad in everyone. We need to make ourselves squeaky clean before we can judge everyone else by our standard.
We're not held in high regard either.
Theres good and bad in everyone. We need to make ourselves squeaky clean before we can judge everyone else by our standard.
20 July 2012, 12:58 PM
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Well I've lived in a couple of overseas countries and behaved myself because the cops there took a dim view of troublemakers and carried guns 
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