Who's getting a letter then?
24 July 2012, 03:12 PM
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Surely this is the get-out clause for most people though
And perhaps most crucially the letters cannot hold the bill payer liable if someone else used their internet connection to download illegal material.
The final letter, a copy of which has been obtained by the BBC, reads: "In the event that you were not responsible for the infringing acts outlined above, for example, another member of your household was the user of the computer, you should make full disclosure to us of the other parties at your residence using your internet connection."
The final letter, a copy of which has been obtained by the BBC, reads: "In the event that you were not responsible for the infringing acts outlined above, for example, another member of your household was the user of the computer, you should make full disclosure to us of the other parties at your residence using your internet connection."
24 July 2012, 03:15 PM
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there's also a note about unsecure wireless connections in it as well, i can see most lawyers making that case pretty easy.
the letter is 100% scare tactic, also you need to get 3 of them to actualy be done so it says.
the letter is 100% scare tactic, also you need to get 3 of them to actualy be done so it says.
24 July 2012, 03:33 PM
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Good news IMO, the sooner software thieves are hung up by their ***** the better. 
Yes I know it won't happen this time, but at least one producer is starting to make a stand!
Yes I know it won't happen this time, but at least one producer is starting to make a stand!
24 July 2012, 03:38 PM
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while i don't condone piracy i think if they dropepd the price it would make a massive difference, say a DVD was £3 or £4 we'd just pick up the film we wanted rather than download it.
24 July 2012, 03:45 PM
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It wouldn't matter what they charged. There's a generation out there now that see stealing as perfectly acceptable, just look at all the theads on here brazenly asking for sites to download films, TV and music from.
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24 July 2012, 03:59 PM
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Whilst I agre we need to crack down on illegal downloading, can't see how this could ever work with the likes of BT Openzone/BT Fon when you have no idea who's using your connection if you subscribe to it.
So we can bang them up?
24 July 2012, 04:44 PM
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Isn't the IP different for the shared connection? Anyhow, my internet is open.
24 July 2012, 05:04 PM
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Fine of £700 sought for sh*te **** films? These people need to get real. I'd string THEM up by the ***** for the cheek. That's two weeks wages to some people.
24 July 2012, 05:06 PM
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That's the point. Everyone doing it seems to think it won't matter it's only them.
It's the same mentality that people chucking a tab end on the floor or dropping a McD's wrapper have. They fail to realise that thousands of others are saying the same thing and the culmilative effect is huge.
I'm sure a few people will be trying to hide these letters from the Mrs though, especially as they are askign all other ISPs to give them the same info.
5t.
It's the same mentality that people chucking a tab end on the floor or dropping a McD's wrapper have. They fail to realise that thousands of others are saying the same thing and the culmilative effect is huge.
I'm sure a few people will be trying to hide these letters from the Mrs though, especially as they are askign all other ISPs to give them the same info.
5t.
24 July 2012, 05:10 PM
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That's the point. Everyone doing it seems to think it won't matter it's only them.
It's the same mentality that people chucking a tab end on the floor or dropping a McD's wrapper have. They fail to realise that thousands of others are saying the same thing and the culmilative effect is huge.
It's the same mentality that people chucking a tab end on the floor or dropping a McD's wrapper have. They fail to realise that thousands of others are saying the same thing and the culmilative effect is huge.
24 July 2012, 06:56 PM
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24 July 2012, 07:23 PM
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Useful info on here for anyone that does get a letter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Dov...tive_Invoicing. Sounds like a simple shakedown if, on the admission of their lawyers, they have no intention of taking anyone to court and their evidence linking IP address to subscribers is dodgy.
I wonder if they had permission from Simon Nye when they made "Ben Dover's Ben Behaving Badly", or Ian Fleming's estate for "Ben Dover: For Your **** Only" - or would they argue ripping off someone else's material like that is fair use.
I wonder if they had permission from Simon Nye when they made "Ben Dover's Ben Behaving Badly", or Ian Fleming's estate for "Ben Dover: For Your **** Only" - or would they argue ripping off someone else's material like that is fair use.
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That's the point. Everyone doing it seems to think it won't matter it's only them.
It's the same mentality that people chucking a tab end on the floor or dropping a McD's wrapper have. They fail to realise that thousands of others are saying the same thing and the culmilative effect is huge.
I'm sure a few people will be trying to hide these letters from the Mrs though, especially as they are askign all other ISPs to give them the same info.
5t.
It's the same mentality that people chucking a tab end on the floor or dropping a McD's wrapper have. They fail to realise that thousands of others are saying the same thing and the culmilative effect is huge.
I'm sure a few people will be trying to hide these letters from the Mrs though, especially as they are askign all other ISPs to give them the same info.
5t.
But that's different.
25 July 2012, 08:39 AM
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heres the key bit from that wiki page,
'and that the bill payer couldn't automatically be assumed to be guilty of any alleged copyright violation, and therefore any claim made by Golden Eye/Ben Dover Productions couldn't move forward unless the recipient of the company's spectulative invoicing letters admitted their own guilt'
assuming thats right then just saying 'I am not aware of any downloading of this material and can only asusme someone has been using my wireless connection without my knowledge.' and thats that done.
'and that the bill payer couldn't automatically be assumed to be guilty of any alleged copyright violation, and therefore any claim made by Golden Eye/Ben Dover Productions couldn't move forward unless the recipient of the company's spectulative invoicing letters admitted their own guilt'
assuming thats right then just saying 'I am not aware of any downloading of this material and can only asusme someone has been using my wireless connection without my knowledge.' and thats that done.
25 July 2012, 08:47 AM
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heres the key bit from that wiki page,
'and that the bill payer couldn't automatically be assumed to be guilty of any alleged copyright violation, and therefore any claim made by Golden Eye/Ben Dover Productions couldn't move forward unless the recipient of the company's spectulative invoicing letters admitted their own guilt'
assuming thats right then just saying 'I am not aware of any downloading of this material and can only asusme someone has been using my wireless connection without my knowledge.' and thats that done.
'and that the bill payer couldn't automatically be assumed to be guilty of any alleged copyright violation, and therefore any claim made by Golden Eye/Ben Dover Productions couldn't move forward unless the recipient of the company's spectulative invoicing letters admitted their own guilt'
assuming thats right then just saying 'I am not aware of any downloading of this material and can only asusme someone has been using my wireless connection without my knowledge.' and thats that done.
25 July 2012, 08:49 AM
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Only in the new world of the Internet where theft is seen as the norm and those who abide by the law are laughed at could you make a post like that you f**king ****!
Last edited by f1_fan; 25 July 2012 at 08:52 AM. Reason: Just to add I think you are a tw4t in case you didn't get that!
25 July 2012, 09:03 AM
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don;t forget that includes, music, films, games etc etc
25 July 2012, 09:57 AM
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What do they say the worst non smoker is an ex smoker?
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Firstly it's you're, I let it go the first time as thought it might be a typo, but now I realise you are plainly thick and need educating.
Secondly what evidence do you have for calling me a liar? I haven't accused you of being a thief as you haven't admitted to actually downloading illegal material yet you see fit to call me a liar with a similar lack of evidence.
I guess that further illustrates the chasm of morality that exists between us.
Secondly what evidence do you have for calling me a liar? I haven't accused you of being a thief as you haven't admitted to actually downloading illegal material yet you see fit to call me a liar with a similar lack of evidence.
I guess that further illustrates the chasm of morality that exists between us.