Margaret Moran. What a p!sstake!
14 December 2012, 01:41 PM
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It sounds like the experience has destroyed her as a person. The ruling today was actually no surprise if you'd followed the story over the past few weeks.
Not sure i needed to see a custodial sentence to complete the punishment.
Not sure i needed to see a custodial sentence to complete the punishment.
14 December 2012, 01:54 PM
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So she lied to obtain money from the taxpayer, £53,000 which is a couple of years salry for most people (tax free remember) and she used it to feather own nest, now we are expected to swllow it she is so ill due to being caught out ?
This illness was then brought on, not by the home renovations, or recieving the money, but for the fact she got taken to task about it, sounds like a plan really doesnt it, if you cant do the time, dont do the crime !
Not sure going to prison is going to benefit her but it benefits the taxpayers if she is seen to be accountable, she should have to pay that money back plus interest and costs
This illness was then brought on, not by the home renovations, or recieving the money, but for the fact she got taken to task about it, sounds like a plan really doesnt it, if you cant do the time, dont do the crime !
Not sure going to prison is going to benefit her but it benefits the taxpayers if she is seen to be accountable, she should have to pay that money back plus interest and costs
14 December 2012, 01:56 PM
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I am sure if it was you or me in that situation we would not have received such leniency.
I will add that once again the British press have played their part in reducing her to the state she is in today yet of course they don't need any further regulating do they?
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14 December 2012, 01:59 PM
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Yep the avoidance of a criminal record sticks in the throat a bit, but "apparently" anyone in a similar position would have been treated similarly. Hmm.
14 December 2012, 02:22 PM
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I'm not an advocate of punishment to appease baying mobs but there had to be SOME sort of punishment given in this case. By allowing Margaret Moran to circumvent the rules of natural justice, the inflammation of already smouldering resentment is inevitable. It seems the judge has already played the 'not my fault guvnor just following rules' card. What is most gallling is she had the temerity to do this in the wake of the expenses scandal.
14 December 2012, 02:38 PM
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Yes, i bet she's laughing all the way to the bank with her complete mental breakdown.
Yes she was wrong, yes it has had a catastrophic effect on her life, yes the law says they cannot convict her or send her to prison given her current circumstances. But that's still not good enough, right?
14 December 2012, 02:40 PM
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I'm not an advocate of punishment to appease baying mobs but there had to be SOME sort of punishment given in this case. By allowing Margaret Moran to circumvent the rules of natural justice, the inflammation of already smouldering resentment is inevitable. It seems the judge has already played the 'not my fault guvnor just following rules' card. What is most gallling is she had the temerity to do this in the wake of the expenses scandal.
14 December 2012, 02:43 PM
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Yes, i bet she's laughing all the way to the bank with her complete mental breakdown.
Yes she was wrong, yes it has had a catastrophic effect on her life, yes the law says they cannot convict her or send her to prison given her current circumstances. But that's still not good enough, right?
Yes she was wrong, yes it has had a catastrophic effect on her life, yes the law says they cannot convict her or send her to prison given her current circumstances. But that's still not good enough, right?
14 December 2012, 02:46 PM
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1. In March 2010 Moran was one of the MPs involved in offering influential political lobbying for financial reward in a sting operation set up by the Channel 4 Dispatches programme. The MPs were secretly filmed discussing how they could assist the interests of the fake company. On the film, Moran appears to claim to be able to help modify laws on immigration in order to boost the business interests of the fake company.[50][51] She also claimed that she could call on a "girls' gang" of female ministers to help the fictitious company[52] and yet, while she appeared to be enthusiastically courting the fake company, half an hour after the meeting her office told a reporter that she was unavailable to do any work on behalf of her constituents because she was "not very well at the moment." Moran claimed that "This meeting was the beginning of an attempt to rebuild my life."[53]
On 22 March she was suspended from holding office in the Labour Party. Labour leader Gordon Brown indicated that there would not be an investigation into the conduct of Moran and the other Labour MPs filmed in the programme.
2, In May 2009, the Financial Times alleged Moran mis-used stationery to support eQuality Networks Ltd [54] (EQN) T/A eQuality Network, a non-profit group which claims that it helps impoverished communities. Moran is currently an associate (listed as Margaret Booker)[55] and was the unpaid chairwoman of the organisation though was paid £6,052.49 expenses in 2007, whilst her fiancé is a registered Company Director.[56] Moran repeatedly used House of Commons headed paper to write letters in support of EQN, without disclosing her involvement with the company. The Financial Times obtained copies of letters written by Moran on House of Commons headed paper supporting eQuality Networks funding bids and personal invitations to eQuality Networks events.[57] Moran denied committing the offence and claimed her husband "has no part in the running of the organisation".[58]
3. In 2007 a Spanish Court ruled that she had illegally blocked a right of way at her holiday home in Carataunas, Spain, by installing a gate and digging up the path with an excavator. She was ordered to make the area as it was.[59] She used House of Commons headed paper during the dispute, including a note written in Spanish and English which said "Please note – this road is private & closed. Please remove your motorcycle from our land. Moran family."[60]
When these claims appeared in the Mail On Sunday, Moran denied them and contacted libel lawyers Carter Ruck who were subsequently shown the note on House of Commons letterhead that the newspaper had obtained. The case was then dropped, but Moran had incurred a £881.25 legal bill. She charged it to her Incidental Office Expenses account, which is meant to cover the running cost of an MP's constituency office
4. In 2007 the Guardian claimed Moran had been exploiting interns insisting they work for the company eQuality Networks rather than doing political work.[62] Similar allegations were levelled at Moran in 2009 following an investigation by the Financial Times.[58]
In 2009 it emerged that one of Moran's employees at eQuality Networks had successfully nominated her to the shortlist of MP of the Year at the Women in Public Life Awards, describing her as a "forward thinking, modern day suffragette"
5.On 14 May, the Daily Telegraph reported that Moran had billed the taxpayer almost £4,000 in respect of an employment tribunal case brought by a former member of her staff. The House of Commons fees office agreed that the bill could be paid out of her staffing budget.[30]
On 22 May it was revealed that Moran had claimed travel expenses for driving 26,028 miles even though her constituency is only 32 miles from London. The figure would allow for 407 round trips per year; however, she takes the train between London and Luton and has broken the rules if she has claimed for mileage other than between Luton and Westminster.[31] She claimed on her web-site that she was unable to commute from the same street as Luton North MP Kelvin Hopkins because she "has held senior positions since 1997 requiring working long hours; late nights and early mornings making commuting difficult or impossible" and "was required by the House authorities to change her second home delegation to London when she became a Minister.
14 December 2012, 02:49 PM
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Nope i have zero sympathy for her. What i'm saying is that the law can do no more, but a nice picture of her in a fancy hat is no reflection of her condition today. As a human she may never recover. Good, you might say. Serving a prison sentence isn't the only way for somebody to be punished.
14 December 2012, 02:50 PM
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What if she was mentally unable to comprehend SOME sort of punishment, other than the complete and utter public humiliation, wrecking of her home and professional life, the mental breakdown that could affect her for the rest of her life? Please tell me, what further suffering would be appropriate?
14 December 2012, 02:53 PM
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Nope, i don't mate, not from what i've read. To assume she's had special privileges because she was an MP is totally unfounded.
14 December 2012, 03:04 PM
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I'm in disagreement, given her previous indiscretions I think she is a greedy, conniving, and deceitful cow. She also possess excellent acting skills it would seem. She may not have had special privileges but she used her position to further her own business, financial and personal interests. I don't for a minute think she is ruined and her life now a mess, she'll probably go to her property in Spain while the fuss dies down. Then come back and carry on like nothing ever happened albeit not in any political capacity (I hope).
14 December 2012, 03:06 PM
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Any part of £500 says she won't. Let me know.
Jacko yep if it's proved that she's been fooling everyone to avoid prison then sure, stone her to death. That's definitely not what's being reported though. This broke her, and rightly so. Only the uneducated mob would want her imprisoned if the facts as we have them are true.
14 December 2012, 03:20 PM
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Any part of £500 says she won't. Let me know.
Jacko yep if it's proved that she's been fooling everyone to avoid prison then sure, stone her to death. That's definitely not what's being reported though. This broke her, and rightly so. Only the uneducated mob would want her imprisoned if the facts as we have them are true.
Jacko yep if it's proved that she's been fooling everyone to avoid prison then sure, stone her to death. That's definitely not what's being reported though. This broke her, and rightly so. Only the uneducated mob would want her imprisoned if the facts as we have them are true.
14 December 2012, 03:21 PM
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Also,been in the Priory & evidence given by 2 eminent psychiatrists. Who paid for that then?
Damn right it's one rule for the rich...............
Oh,and don't forget 'We're all in it together.'
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14 December 2012, 03:59 PM
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What if she was mentally unable to comprehend SOME sort of punishment, other than the complete and utter public humiliation, wrecking of her home and professional life, the mental breakdown that could affect her for the rest of her life? Please tell me, what further suffering would be appropriate?
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14 December 2012, 06:38 PM
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it's not so much the "one rule for them", that sticks in my craw, it's that the once only Labour "Do as I say, not as I do...." now seems to encompass ALL of them.
Is there any way back for politics in the UK?
Most people feel they are "all the same" and the young, or many of them, don't bother to vote.
That's scary to me: it basically means that, as the older generations die off, we can have more and more radical governments elected by a very few self-motivated electors
Is there any way back for politics in the UK?
Most people feel they are "all the same" and the young, or many of them, don't bother to vote.
That's scary to me: it basically means that, as the older generations die off, we can have more and more radical governments elected by a very few self-motivated electors
14 December 2012, 06:42 PM
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it's not so much the "one rule for them", that sticks in my craw, it's that the once only Labour "Do as I say, not as I do...." now seems to encompass ALL of them.
Is there any way back for politics in the UK?
Most people feel they are "all the same" and the young, or many of them, don't bother to vote.
That's scary to me: it basically means that, as the older generations die off, we can have more and more radical governments elected by a very few self-motivated electors
Is there any way back for politics in the UK?
Most people feel they are "all the same" and the young, or many of them, don't bother to vote.
That's scary to me: it basically means that, as the older generations die off, we can have more and more radical governments elected by a very few self-motivated electors
Ultimately we need politicians and politics to make a democracy. We just need better ones. If we stopped insisting that the deliver the moon on a stick, then they might disappoint us all a little less.