Bedroom tax
05 August 2013, 07:56 PM
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Good article in the independent. 96 % of those targeted by the tax have nowhere to move to; smaller properties just aren't available.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...m-8745597.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...m-8745597.html
05 August 2013, 08:09 PM
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As someone who fits the profile of a Conservative voter I have to say I'm quite appalled by this proposed "Bedroom Tax".
Quite what they hope to achieve by introducing it is beyond me.
Quite what they hope to achieve by introducing it is beyond me.
05 August 2013, 08:50 PM
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Good article.
The end result will be economic cleansing. Move anyone on benefits up north ( where property is cheaper) and leave London and the south for the rich. It's already happening.r
The end result will be economic cleansing. Move anyone on benefits up north ( where property is cheaper) and leave London and the south for the rich. It's already happening.r
05 August 2013, 09:10 PM
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http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/f...n-benefits-cap
As I said, already started. Move the scummy poor up north, more spare houses for mr Chung to add to his property portfolio.
As long as they don't move them to Lincolnshire, we have our own indigenous riff raff already.
As I said, already started. Move the scummy poor up north, more spare houses for mr Chung to add to his property portfolio.
As long as they don't move them to Lincolnshire, we have our own indigenous riff raff already.
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05 August 2013, 09:14 PM
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I've read a few article reporting that our costal towns (such as Margate) are becoming dumping grounds for the very poor and vulnerable, people left behind by our economic system. These places become poverty and welfare traps, loads of drug use, etc.
05 August 2013, 10:44 PM
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And about bl00dy time to! Why not move economically inactive people out of London? It makes perfect sense
05 August 2013, 11:09 PM
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the only problem with moving them is that, the council they left pay the new local council the council tax for 2 years, after that it becomes the local taxpayers problem, so expect a big rise in your council tax bill in around 2 years time, hopefully they won't send to many passengers down here as there are no jobs at all
05 August 2013, 11:35 PM
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05 August 2013, 11:43 PM
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It's the government looking for money......... 4% win according to your OP.
Remove Child benefit from higher tax bracket earners and increase pension contributions for the public sector (pay cut for £10k for me) and there are 0% winners
If we live in a High Tax / High spend society and the tax reciepts drop then the Govt will scrabble around for easy money...........
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Remove Child benefit from higher tax bracket earners and increase pension contributions for the public sector (pay cut for £10k for me) and there are 0% winners
If we live in a High Tax / High spend society and the tax reciepts drop then the Govt will scrabble around for easy money...........
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06 August 2013, 01:05 AM
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People have been living on land in Britian for millennia, just now many need to come up with cash to give to someone more powerful for permission to keep doing so, some need a 'handout' because they don't have enough cash themselves. They aren't really being 'given' anything though. The problem is a class of powerful people who 'own' everything. Without the need to subsidise them we wouldn't have to 'subsidise' the poor.
06 August 2013, 03:05 AM
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Overtly large houses? Have you seem your typical 3 bed ex council house. Hardly 'overtly large'.
People have been living on land in Britian for millennia, just now many need to come up with cash to give to someone more powerful for permission to keep doing so, some need a 'handout' because they don't have enough cash themselves. They aren't really being 'given' anything though. The problem is a class of powerful people who 'own' everything. Without the need to subsidise them we wouldn't have to 'subsidise' the poor.
People have been living on land in Britian for millennia, just now many need to come up with cash to give to someone more powerful for permission to keep doing so, some need a 'handout' because they don't have enough cash themselves. They aren't really being 'given' anything though. The problem is a class of powerful people who 'own' everything. Without the need to subsidise them we wouldn't have to 'subsidise' the poor.
06 August 2013, 06:05 AM
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06 August 2013, 06:14 AM
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the only problem with moving them is that, the council they left pay the new local council the council tax for 2 years, after that it becomes the local taxpayers problem, so expect a big rise in your council tax bill in around 2 years time, hopefully they won't send to many passengers down here as there are no jobs at all
I'd be happy to pay more council tax to get rid of some of the awful estates in London. Move all the people somewhere grim up North (where we could concentrate the fracking as well)
06 August 2013, 09:34 AM
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The problem with all this of course is that it is no more than the government wanting to look like they are doing something. The extra revenue raised/saved will make no noticeable difference to the state of the UK's finances (£1.2 trillion in debt) as will none of their other pathetic little measures.
If they are serious about sorting the country out they need to take much harsher decisions such as:
- 'work for your benefits' schemes for the unemployed
- cutting the state pension for those that don't actually need it
- significantly reducing the number of people on disability benefit (they only put them there to get them out of the unemployment figures)
- reducing the welfare state to a safety net not a lifestyle choice
- building/acquiring lots of low cost social housing to reduce the medium - long term burden on housing benefit payments
- some genuine schemes to generate long term jobs/make the UK an attractive place to do business (e.g. redcue the amount of red tape around doing business here)
They could also do to stop meddling in other countries' affairs and stop paying out foreign aid especially to countries that don't need it!
Sadly though the current government don't have the spine for any of that and Milliand certainly doesn't ergo we are p1ssing around with a 'bedroom tax' and are royally f**ked!
If they are serious about sorting the country out they need to take much harsher decisions such as:
- 'work for your benefits' schemes for the unemployed
- cutting the state pension for those that don't actually need it
- significantly reducing the number of people on disability benefit (they only put them there to get them out of the unemployment figures)
- reducing the welfare state to a safety net not a lifestyle choice
- building/acquiring lots of low cost social housing to reduce the medium - long term burden on housing benefit payments
- some genuine schemes to generate long term jobs/make the UK an attractive place to do business (e.g. redcue the amount of red tape around doing business here)
They could also do to stop meddling in other countries' affairs and stop paying out foreign aid especially to countries that don't need it!
Sadly though the current government don't have the spine for any of that and Milliand certainly doesn't ergo we are p1ssing around with a 'bedroom tax' and are royally f**ked!
06 August 2013, 11:35 AM
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The problem with all this of course is that it is no more than the government wanting to look like they are doing something. The extra revenue raised/saved will make no noticeable difference to the state of the UK's finances (£1.2 trillion in debt) as will none of their other pathetic little measures.
If they are serious about sorting the country out they need to take much harsher decisions such as:
- 'work for your benefits' schemes for the unemployed
- cutting the state pension for those that don't actually need it
- significantly reducing the number of people on disability benefit (they only put them there to get them out of the unemployment figures)
- reducing the welfare state to a safety net not a lifestyle choice
- building/acquiring lots of low cost social housing to reduce the medium - long term burden on housing benefit payments
- some genuine schemes to generate long term jobs/make the UK an attractive place to do business (e.g. redcue the amount of red tape around doing business here)
They could also do to stop meddling in other countries' affairs and stop paying out foreign aid especially to countries that don't need it!
Sadly though the current government don't have the spine for any of that and Milliand certainly doesn't ergo we are p1ssing around with a 'bedroom tax' and are royally f**ked!
If they are serious about sorting the country out they need to take much harsher decisions such as:
- 'work for your benefits' schemes for the unemployed
- cutting the state pension for those that don't actually need it
- significantly reducing the number of people on disability benefit (they only put them there to get them out of the unemployment figures)
- reducing the welfare state to a safety net not a lifestyle choice
- building/acquiring lots of low cost social housing to reduce the medium - long term burden on housing benefit payments
- some genuine schemes to generate long term jobs/make the UK an attractive place to do business (e.g. redcue the amount of red tape around doing business here)
They could also do to stop meddling in other countries' affairs and stop paying out foreign aid especially to countries that don't need it!
Sadly though the current government don't have the spine for any of that and Milliand certainly doesn't ergo we are p1ssing around with a 'bedroom tax' and are royally f**ked!
06 August 2013, 12:17 PM
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Not that big of an issue to be frank, the media want it to be, but then they have an agenda to sell papers to the laregly braindead population and 'hate the darkies' is a far easier way to sell papers than discussing the nation's economic deficiencies with any degree of intelligence!
06 August 2013, 01:14 PM
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the biggest problem this country faces is commercial GREED. every company is trying to make more and more money at our expence, if all these companies paid a fair amount of tax, instead of as little as possible, low earners wouldn't have to pay tax,now what am i going to do after finding myself £1800 quid a year better off ??? you got it spend it with all the companies therefore making them more profit, it's not nuculear science is it
06 August 2013, 01:29 PM
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Not that big of an issue to be frank, the media want it to be, but then they have an agenda to sell papers to the laregly braindead population and 'hate the darkies' is a far easier way to sell papers than discussing the nation's economic deficiencies with any degree of intelligence!
