Dan W

How many more people can Britain honestly accommodate before we see serious problems?

I ask this in anticipation that come 2014 Romanians and Bulgarians will have access to Britain and all it has to offer.

Some quarters of the media are predicting civil unrest but at what point is the balance going to tip and we see large scale problems.

Personally I don’t regard myself as either racist or xenophobic but I can’t help but think that at some point the quality of life in Britain will be diminished by the explosion in our population that has been caused by mass immigration.

I have 3 children under 5 years old and I am beginning to wonder what sort of future have they got to look forward to.

What do others on here think? Do you think things will work out ok or are we in serious trouble? If we are in the shiit what’s the likely outcome?

Put simply I cannot see how the population of Britain can just keep growing and growing without something going bang. What figure will that be? 80, 90 or 100 Million? Higher than that?

RA Dunk

Yes, we're already too full bearing in mind we're basically a small island. The strain on natural resources like water ETC must be taking it's toll. Something's got to give at some point.

tony de wonderful

It's a future of overcrowding and very high property prices, broadly service based economy with most people in a precarious form of employment (zero hour contracts).

Unless you are going in inherit property you will struggle.

Dingdongler

Previous Labour cabinet ministers now openly admit they 'got it wrong on immigration' and allowed a virtually unchecked open door policy.

Hopefully these immigrants will integrate and contribute positively to our society, but I have questions about whether they are net contributors or not. This is not about race etc but purely an economic question for me.

If we do continue with mass immigration all I hope is that all go and live next door to TDW.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Firstly I think we can ignore the media's opinion of this as they are doing their usual **** stirring they do with all things like this. Rmember good news does not sell their rags! Thet love nothing more than to predict things like civil unrest especially when they can bash the immigrants as well. They are scum pure and simple!

Secondly I think there is no doubt the UK is in trouble, declining standards of living, a welfare system out of control, a country massivley in debt, successive governments that are full of self serving greedy lying spineless politicians, declining education standards, a broken state pension system, woeful care for the edlerly, a jobs market that at best explouts most of its workforce because it can etc. etc.

How much of this is down to a growing population is up for debate. Doubtless it is playing a part in it, but I think primarily we need a much stronger government who take really tough decisions now and in a much wider spectrum than just immigration to put the country on a good footing for the future. Trouble is we haven't got one and that is that really!

Immigration IMO is far from the biggest isue we face, the media and the government love to focus on it as it draws attention away from the bigger issues like the fact we are £1.2 trillion in debt and not doing anything significant about it or the fact that the economy outside of London and the SE is still in recession.

What is clear is that in my mind this is not a country to bring up kids, at best they will end up well educated but living in a broken society, at worst they will be dragged down with the scum they will no doubt encounter at most schools etc. If I had kids it would be a priority of mine to get them out of here asap! Not doing so is doing little or nothing for their future!

RA Dunk

I agree with every word of this TBH.

ReallyReallyGoodMeat

Where would you move to though?

David Lock

We must welcome these people to our shores and ensure a priority is to provide housing, schooling, health services and employment.

The cultural diversity they bring is stunning.


BOLLOX - Shut the door.

dl

dpb

Theres going to have to be a seismic shift in what our indigenous population consider to be a job worthy of their time

If we are to close the gates tomorrow

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

I don't understand your reasoning?

That may be the case in the SE etc, but it certainly ISN'T up here, or in the NE, or in the NW....or other regions with which I am not familiar.

In those areas at least, the "starter" jobs which WERE taken by kids leaving school, are no longer available.

Labour as much as admitted it when they brought in ROSLA to 17, then 18.

But even that won't help. Only for two years anyway.

The FACT is that the starter jobs are now being done by Eastern Europeans, who, happy to live ten or more to a house, can afford to accept lower wages.

I can't remember WHICH Labour minister hit the nail on the head when he said, "At least it's keeping wages down...."

A socialist????????

Dan W

I have to agree with what you say there. I think that immigration is certainly a big problem for this country but we have other problems too.

But from a purely numbers point of view from what I can make of it the more of us there are living in Britain the worse the quality of life. We are over crowded. I am wondering if there is some theoretical figure that if reached will tip the balance towards a slow and unavoidable disintegration of society, the rule of law and so on?

I am trying not to over simplify what is undoubtedly a complex issue but I am trying to focus purely on population figures.

For example, Just looking at the congestion on our roads which has grown a phenomenal amount in the last decade I am left dumb struck at what the situation will look like in another decade. But what about two decades time? Or three?
If we are at almost saturation now we will be utterly broken within a decade or two.

Will we reach a point where there are so many of us that essential services completely break down. Lack of energy for instance because demand outstrips supply. Food shortages even?

In short we cannot simply keep growing and growing and growing. Simple maths dictate this fact.

ericooper

Its most defiantly overcrowded, i live i rural area, i grew up it was relatively quiet, moved away for 8 years, now im back, there are new housing estates everywhere, the roads are grid lock, the gym is bunged, the doctors is bunged, supper markets over crowded, school classes over size, car parks bursting, there simply isn't room, green belt land getting built on constantly, lack of jobs. Immigration has massively sped up the rate we fill the country and it cant cope, had we of limited immigration like Australia it may have been manageable, and probably wouldn't have caused much issue in my life time, with out immigration are population couldn't have grown fast enough to cause the issues we now face

Dan W

This is what I am talking about.
I agree that immigration has caused a massive spike in our population which will continue until a political party either promises to bring immigration under control or we reach a point where some other factor causes either a halt in the population expansion or even a reversal.

As I alluded in an earlier post- no matter what anybody does to try and accommodate the numbers both entering Britain and being born here we will reach a point where the fabric of society is broken.

Even if governments engaged in a massive spending spree and modernising roads, railways, health and social care infrastructure plus engaged in massive housing program we will only delay the inevitable – that being the disintegration of society.

As I write this I fear I sound like a complete doom monger but seriously what is the alternative?
Does anyone on here know? I would honestly appreciate you sharing your views.

dpb

This massive spike could also be something to do with the baby boom...

Martin2005

Someone hacked your account DL

David Lock

I'm just in a bad, nostalgic mood.....

dl

Dan W

I agree. What I am trying to do here on this thread is not necessarily focus on the causes of our population boom but the effect.

I acknowledge that immigration has been a huge factor as has the population boom of those born here as a consequence of immigration.
But I also acknowledge that our own population has been rising anyway.

As I said though, I am concerned about what the consequence will be for us.

tony de wonderful

Economic growth has become so important that we 'need' immigration and the baby boom it brings too.

Nobody is question this idea of growth though. What do we want to grow and why? Who for?

dpb

Not many young folk want to go into care work, even for a day

paulr

1. Less than 10 % of UK land is built on, so we have loads of spare land.
2. There is a huge demographic time bomb, we need a higher young to old ratio in future years.
3. The world is changing, to never go back. Do you know it costs around £200 to send a container from China to the UK. £100 to send a chest from London to Glasgow.
4. UKIP will never be in power, the UK will never leave Europe.

tony de wonderful

We will only be full when 100% of UK land is concerted over?

We don't NEED a higher young to old ratio in the sense that we NEED to eat or we starve. The sky won't fall, in fact our demographics would eventually even out and stabilise. Growth based on population growth is unsustainable.

Dan W

SPOT ON!

bobby chang

My parents came to this country to work & raised us up, never touch a single penny on benefit, and respect the way of life in this country, but a lot of others doing the opposite and that's what caused problem to the society.

dpb

That would kind of depend on how good your private pension is

Presumably yours must be quite good

L.J.F

iTrader: (31)

You think it's bad now, just wait until the Romanians are allowed in.....

Dan W

My thinking is that the influx of Romanians may be a flashpoint that causes civil unrest. I would rather it didn't come to that but if the population is allowed to continue to grow unchecked for whatever reason the inevitable reult will be tension between groups and civil unrest. If those opposing roups are big and powerful enough civil unrest becomes civil war.

I can't see how this it to be avoided given Britain's present direction of travel.

If the population growth was sensibly managed we could prevent a lot of heart ache in the future. But we are governed by the spineless or clueless or both. They act as if Tomorrow's problems are for tomorrow's generations to sort out.

Type_R_1984

I don't think anybody would dispute the fact that we are overcrowded.
The fact is that government will do what they want anyway.
We've handed our country away end of.

RA Dunk

We handed **** all over, Tony Blair managed to do that.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

There won't be problems when the Romanians come, nor when the Bulgarians come...and come they will, because legally, Britain can't stop them.

Nope, the SE and London will continue to be rich, have cheap labour etc, and that's all that matters.

Anyone in the REST of the UK complaining will quickly be either called a racist, or a little Englander, shouted down, abused etc, maybe even arrested.

The government don't care, they only want to see the good bits, and outside the SE, we don't matter.
Local MPs don't really care, they don't want to upset the gravy train.

Pigman149

iTrader: (1)

SHUT THE DOOR, all I can say is I live in Horsham and I sometimes go to Crawley which is 10 mins up the road, when I walk down the high street it is like being in a foreign country not hardly a word of English being spoken. It's all Indians Polish Romanian etc it makes me f@@king sick