So seen a lot of people saying about electric cars being cheaper to run. For now I agree, but one problem I can see which no one seems to be pointing out is once the government looses all the revenue off car fuel and car tax, where will they recoup all that lost money from?

Electric cars

 

Your electric will rocket I suspect , especially now we're leaving EU

Unless of course you're a landowner who can plaster with solar panel

 

That was my worry, which won't effect just cars. Or maybe be heavily taxed or a new tax on electric cars, maybe per mile driven. As i'm sure they will all be tracked with black boxes. And 5G and GPS. Then hackers will be hacking in them for fun.

 

They are also woeful for the environment, but they don't advertise that

 

Better get your skates on then.
Make hay while the sun shines, plan to get as much solar on your roof as feasible.

Enjoy quite a few more of years with cheaper electricity.

You could get a non communication home charger just in case the government wants to know when you're charging.

Government most likely will raise taxes in other ways, not so directly electric, alluded to above.

 

That's a very good point. The car is too easy a target and if you own a car you have money which they can extract. Cannot extract money from the poor as they have none.

I work on an industrial state with mobile speed vans always hiding ready to catch people (with money) going to and from work. Had to do a speed awareness course the other month. Was actually quite interesting to be honest. Not £100 interesting though.

I have dropped my daughter of at school for the last 7 years and not once have i seen a copper anywhere near the school. I have to drive through a poor estate (not sounding to snobby) and again I have never seen a copper there either. I wander why?

They will recoup most via the car, somehow.

 

Fun fact In Spain they can't put solar panels on the roof to generate electricity. You can however fit them to heat water which my wife's family have on their property (she's a loud bossy shouty Spanish bint lol)

But yes this was something I've been saying to everyone around me jumping on the elec bandwagon it'll just end up costing more.. they'll make it so you can't charge at home as easily.. some tax or license or something else.. then to do it at a garage will cost the same as fuel... there's no way the gov are missing out on those juicy 70% taxes!

 

Whats that then , a halfords 20 quid special ?

sounds slower than slow

 

The 7kw chargers can and do have 3G mobile communications if you opt for the totally free install. Mine has a 3G connection. My Wife's work had a twin charging port 2*7KW with RFID tagging with analysis through web portal for individual usage and billing. It was cheaper than a dumb charger points.

So you can see usage is being recorded. It will be further monitored with the increase in SMETS1 or 2 electricity meters for homes. The roll out

 

You need better brakes.

 

Well here’s another issue...I’ve just bought a house that relies on electric for everything.

Its a 60amp supply, not too different from the average household supply...but here’s the issue...

Groundsource heat pump: Max Connected load 13.5Kw!
2 x ovens at 3kw
9 kw induction hob

That’s well over 100amps before the usual intermittent stuff like hairdryers (1kw), kettles (2.5kw), toaster, vacuum cleaner etc.

Suffice to say the previous occupants had issues even before I came along as I’ve had Western Power round to deal with some odds and sods and found the main fuse on the incomer has been swapped for a 100amp one!

To think the government wants the whole of the UK’s households to stop using fossil fuels and is already taking measure to stop gas supplies to new homes..,,Unless all these houses have the roof covered with PV panels and off-grid storage, the national grid is just not going cope. Let alone the actual supply in the household itself!!

Then say I decide replace both our cars with electric; Then I would also have to add a 32amp outlet to charge the cars quicker, overwhelming my already overloaded power supply. Having to turn off the oven, heating or unplug the car to boil the kettle!

Worcester Bosch owner and manufactuer of heatpumps announced that banning gas and solely relying on electric is a bad idea....gas powered heat pumps that use ammonia (eco friendly) refrigerant (like gas fired fridges in caravans) have shown to be a very effective alternative to a standard gas boiler or electric heatpump...Viessman, Vailant and Bosch have this technology in operation in europe, but banning gas would kill off a superior form of heating technology before its even gone mainstream.


I have nice shed big enough for a water cooled 1950’s Lister diesel...and I’ve pre plumbed the house for it, should armageddon occur, the lister will provide back up power from driving a generator that charges a battery bank and heat via heat recovered via the cooling system and exhaust, hell it could directly drive a refrigeratant compressor so could run a heat pump too!! And it’ll run on pretty much anything that’s liquid, oily and burnable, even filtered waste engine oil.

 

No longer true

The current Valencian and Madrid central government abolished the ‘Sun Tax’. It is no longer illegal to go ‘off grid’.

Truth beknown the sun tax came about by some bonkers liberal-conservatives that believed socialism is to force every household to pay for electric infrastructure costs regardless of them being connected to the grid or not!

The other issue is digital electric meters carried on counting forwards even when you were generating more than you were using, so you actually pay to generate power! But now inverters with grid tie monitoring are easily obtainable which can shut down the PV when this situation occurs.

Although I believe this is no longer a issue as now the whole country is now on Smart meters and steps are in motion encourage home generation (Yes whilst the UK was faffing the whole of Spain went to smart meters in the space of a couple of years!...at the same time eradicating illegal installations where folks had bypassed or upgraded the ICP breaker without changing to a higher supply contract).

 

Carbon capture is the solution.

 

I agree a out the local distribution to homes limiting current down to 60amps. My own house has 100amp supply thank goodness. I have an older GSHP which has a high surge start

Im currently building a new house and was limited to 80amps single phase. Not a massive problem with ASHP having a more gentle start and drawing about 16 Amps when running.

Showers are all mixer non electric. Just kitchen to add significant draw but well within available supply. Everything else is low power lights, MHVR. There should be enough for EV point in future

WPD said 80amp is max these days unless move to 3 phase. I requested SMETS2 meter

I had to supply details of what equipment was being used and ratings.

You can work out demand with diversity charts for circuits.

 

To think the average Spainish household manages on a 20amp supply

Well, diversity current management is exactly what’s needed...but fully automated and self adjusting. Currently what I have is either manual or via timers.

For example, the hob has diversity control, so you can configure it to limit the maximum current when all heating zones are in use...it will only allow one or two to go to maximum power. Fine, but it would be nice if this could easily or automaticaly be overriden at times when other high current items in the household aren’t in use. At the moment the only way to override it is manually via a hidden settings control

Its all possible, just needs a proper standardised communication protocol to be adopted across all appliances, or at worst software controlled contactors to automatically de-energise circuits as appropriate, very do-able, but not for me...I have two full size consumer units maxed already out and no space for any more!