messiah

Got a classic turbo scoob at the mo but giving serious consideration to swapping it for a Civic Type R.

A few questions though;

1. How does fuel economy compare to a scoob?
2. Are they much slower? (I understand they have 197bhp)
3. Ride / Comfort (got a baby due september and feel like the poor little mite will the shook all over the place)

ta.

CTR

1) Better, wouldnt say by much perhaps 5mpg
2) Not once on the move
3) I thought the ride was fine, dunno about for a baby

black knight

Comparison btw CTR and Sti TypeR. Owned both for about 6 months last year.

Fuel economy: CTR better at approx 27mpg to Sti at 20mpg but if you boot the CTR, say for example, on motorway, no significant difference in mpg coz CTR can do 140+ and the engine sounded healthy but Sti at 140+ makes scary noise

Performance: CTR always behind the Sti . Did some own Top Gear style comparison when bored and CTR is no match (if both cars driven by drivers of same standards of course)

Ride: CTR is quite stiff but still comfy. Cant really compare coz my Sti got coilovers set to stiff.

CTR does have a very good gearbox. Its quite tiring as power only comes in at Vtec range and actually lost to a golf Gti on motorway in midrange.

But overall cost of running and maintenance of CTR is much much cheaper.

Hope this helps. PM me if you need more info.

Kind regards

Rich D

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1. How does fuel economy compare to a scoob?2. Are they much slower? (I understand they have 197bhp)3. Ride / Comfort (got a baby due september and feel like the poor little mite will the shook all over the place)

KATANA-K

I have an 04 type-R & in my opinion they are both great cars however,

For speed I'm afraid the Type-R will never beat an STI. My mate has an STI8 & leaves my standing by the time we get to 50-60. A good few car lengths ahead. My mate is getting a Jackson supper charger which will take the CTR up to 260BHP so we will comper the difference then.

How does fuel economy compare to a scoob?
Fuel comsumption is a dificult one. The scooby dose drink the fuel but the CTR, as menstioned ealrer has a high rev range which is were all the power is. So I always drive between 67500rpm to 8000rpm which is how its designed & then its close. if you keep the revs down the VTEC doesn't come in & will return 30mpg but that is VERY hard to do!
When the VTEC kicks in the & noise is very high pitched & you find your self revving high just to hear it every time

The ride in the STI & Type-R are both resnobly hard. I find both cars ok to drive. I have driven to Castle comb & it it & was fine. I think you get used to it??
The pre 04 Type-R's are a bit nosier as they have less sound insulation in the wheel arches & it is noticeable. The new 04 Type-R is much better than the old one. Steering much more precise & has tramedus grip in & out of corners. It dose suffer in the wet, but I have never found that much of a problem. ALso the 04 model has a lighter fly wheel & revs much more freely, it Feels more responcive in the mid range revs.

Both are great cars & both are fun to drive but for diferant reasions. I went for the Type-R because of cost. £16400 with aircon & metallic paint. My mates STI8 was about £23500-£24000.

Go & test drive both

Abdabz

I have a slightly modded classic UK turbo and deliberatly baited a CTR down a stretch of the east lancs road (long dual carriageway - lots of flippin traffic lights etc)...
Anyway we went from the lights in a little 'racy poos' and by 80 it was x number of car lengths behind me. Since then my brother has had a tet a tet (sp) with one in his Astra sri turbo and won a closely fought encounter - so its apparant to me that the CTR is just a hot hatch as opposed to a sports car.

Personally I think it would be a very dissapointing trade off and if you're going down the hot hatch route there may be better deals out there.

I hear the Citroen Saxo VTR is one of the quickest cars on the road especially the ones with go faster neon and blacked out windows to hide spotty bling bling chavs.

B0DSKI

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Katana u ALWAYS drive between 6750 and 8000 Rpm!!! Best u keep your eye on your oil level M8, mine gets through maybe 1 litre every 4000 miles and thats not being driven hard.

chrisp

CTR is a three door, do you really wanting to be climbing in and out to strap the baby in ?

You have a classic 0-100 is 14.5 standard 0-60 5.4 so 60-100 is 9.1 seconds

andypugh2000

Making me feel hungry

I was thinking about chopping my classic in for one of these, they are very tidy and have more refinements than the scooby but then i decided coming down fron 280 bhp to one of these was a definate no

KATANA-K

Bodski

I always have bottle of oil ready. They do go through the stuff especially when new.
I try to keep the revs down but I just love going through the gears to get to the VTEC zone. I only drive the car at weekends. I can’t wait to get my Spoon sports N1 exhaust on!! Its going to sound like a Thai fighter. Might be getting Spoon progressive springs as well.

I think both Scooby’s & Typr-r’s are great cars. I never bother racing STI’s because at the end of the day they are quicker & that’s that. If I was spending £20000+ on a car I think I would go for the 350Z. Its just personal preference. I like a car to be quick but its not the most important thing to me. Doesn’t mean I don’t like Scooby’s!!!!
I’ve always had a soft spot for an STI8 in White!!!! They look SO NICE!!!!

Vtec-Abuser

If you're racing one of traffic lights mate, then you're not exactly getting a true comparison. Try racing one off a roadabout upto, say, *30mph then come back and say that they're not as quick. Just try and make sure that you get one with a decent driver in it, because there are alot of numptys out there driving CTR's believe me. Looks like your brother met one, because an Astra Turbo should not see off a CTR by any means. I've had many a blast against the GSI Turbo and never really had a problem.
I will agree that you can't compare a CTR with an STI (Especially STI Type R). But standard WRX's, IMHO are slower once on the move. Classics are a bit more of a challenge....

Abdabz

It wasnt just a case of "from the lights" in every gear it dropped further and further back and this was after the driver had been questioning my personal haibts and suggesting he wished to discuss matters at the side of the road!!
My best friend has an S2000 which is a match for me, the CTR isnt. You could put The Stig in one and it wouldnt matter. It strikes me that you have been racing numpty's when playing with classics...
As for the Astra turbs v CTR their performance figures are practically identical so again you're playing with numpty's in those too if your "not having problems" with them..
The CTR is a nice car, a decent enough hot hatch and its building a cult (sp) following with a lot of enthusiasts. Fair play to them but they should never ever be compared to a scooby. I wouldnt dream of comparing mine to a Noble or a Caterham - different type of car with different type of performance...

scrappydoo

The CTR is a match for a 300bhp sti no problem. Had many. Do not underestimate them, you will be very surprised.

Abdabz

RFLMAO - God bless scappydoo - You could earn money on the after dinner circuit mate...

B0DSKI

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Katana, i know what u mean by the Vtec Zone, i've had my CTR over 2 years now and it does get a wee bit addictive hearing that howl when u got above 6000Rpm, where are u getting the Spoon bits from? I was toying with maybe putting an Induction kit on and maybe a decat pipe and exhaust.

Cars gotta go in less than a year now it's all paid for next april, i'm undecided on what to go for a nice Sti 5 or 6 is a choice or maybe even a P1 if i can find one for the 16k mark. Any other suggestions people ??

S.B.

One word for that BOLLOCKS

CTR

FWIW, people who have owned an STI and then a CTR, cant really compare, the STI will be a lot faster in a straight line. I tried once to keep up with a classic STI in my classic UK turbo, and I lost badly. As for a classic UK turbo against a CTR, having owned both, I would say there is very little in it once on the move In case anyone says Im bias, I dont own the CTR anymore!

wooosh

Had one when they first came out. Sold it after 6 months. Didn't like the lack of traction and sold it after being unable to move forward on a wet roundabout.

they might match a UK turbo but NEVER a 300bhp one. LOL

davedipster

I had a CTR for a year and honestly it was a harsh ride with poor traction in the wet. As for speed it was ok but hard work all the time.
My non PPP 03sti was much faster and easier to get the best out of, and is also more comfortable Strangely.

Dipster

davedipster

Owned a CTR for a year driving it every day, and no a CTR is much slower in every situation.
I do think that the only way to compare a car is to do back to back testing and long drives or own both cars for a good year. Did this in the CTR and the STI, and even though I've been a Honda fan for years the STI wins by a long long way.

dipster

Emms

Hi Guys.

Well between us (my husband and I) we have both, I drive a standard STi Bug eye and my man a CTR. (catback filter and soon to have a JRSC fitted....lol, the idea of his we wifey in a scoob brused his fragile ego ). In all seriousness though in real world on the road terms there is not a HUGE amount of difference, by the time you are up and rolling both cars hit illegal speeds very quickly. Yes you do have to keep working the Type-R's gear box if you want to keep it on the boil, but that is not a problem when you have arguably the best gear box on the planet to play with, it really is a joy.

The Scoob feels more solid and I have more confidence pushing it in the bends, and in the wet the 4wd system is a godsend. The CTR's brakes however are amazing, and that combined with a lighter car means can out brake me into bends, his car feels more chuckable. Build quality and practicality, The 4 doors are very convenient, and my car feels more solid. The CTR is put together well and being a hatch has so mutch more room for those trips to IKEA. I really think both cars are fantastic and we are a bit spoilt for choice. I love my Scoob, but sometimes after a long night shift (im a nurse) I wish I was in the Civic due to the fact that at regular driving situations it is a mutch more relaxing drive, the Scoob is a bit heavy going for my we frame. Mind you when winter comes.........

Vtec-Abuser

You are seriously deluding yourself mate if you think that a CTR won't keep up with a standard Scoob (Classic or Bugeye, Bugeye being the more disappointing of the two). I've had my CTR for 2 1/2 years and have lost count of the blasts i've had with Scoobs and always ended up on top when racing standardish ones. More so as the speeds get higher. As for the Astra Turbo, I didn't say i've left them for dead, just said that i've not found one that's kept up yet. As standard, the GSI Turbo is a second or so slower to 100mph, SRI is slightly slower. As for the coupe's, they're a good 3 or 4 seconds slower to the ton mark. So I do hope you are not reffering to them?
Just out of interest mate. Have you run your Scoob up the strip?

One more thing, on the STI PPP debate. I for one will be the first to say a CTR will get left by one of those. Proper car IMHO. (Not as nice as the FQ 340 MR that I went round a track in on saturday though. I've got to get me one of those).

zip106

And lets not forget that you can pick up a brand new CTR for £16000 (with aircon and met. paint- I did) compared to £20 ish for a boggo WRX. Then look at what each car is worth after a couple of years. 2 year old CTR's are still fetching £13-14 grand whilst WRX's are going for around £12-£13k.I paid £13000 for a 98MY standard UK Turbo (no a/c) and 2years later all I could get for it was £7500 p/x. and the bug eyes had only just come out then.
Projected retained values for a 3 year old WRX is 46% and a CTR is 52% of list price. Even most Bimmers don't keep that much. (Auto Express/ What Car figures)
Edited to say that I find it actually easier to insert Little Zip into her car seat in the CTR than the Scoob. You can actually stand in the car ( being bread-van like ) and I always seemed to smack her head on the frameless door glass in the Scoob

scrappydoo

Well wotever you guys say i know ive had all sorts of cars in my CTR, M3's-new and old, loads of subarus and evos. Btw i own a modded evo. The ctr is one hell of a fast car. Oh yeh and less of the rude comments SB, to$$er!!

Had a scooby sti the other day and we both accelerated up a dual carrigeway and i had to back off in every gear to avoid hitting his rear end. The uk scoobies are too heavy, full-stop. I know this cos i used to own one. If i can hold a 280bhp dynoed, evo off without difficulty then a heavier 300bhp scooby isnt a problem. Be aware im not talking about from a standstill as the scoob will beat a ctr and in the wet, well forget about it cos you cant put the power down. Anyway, a scooby certainly wouldnt leave a ctr standing lmao, anyone whos wants to try is more than welcome.

Civic Type R

I'd like to demonstrate how good the CTR is ----> I aint sayin' this is a fair comparison but I was holdin' back on the corners ........Traction out of the hairpin is an issue, otherwise on the first lap I'm not exactly left for dead

I have another vid where I keep catchin' a Porsche GT2 on Knockhill in the wet. All down to the CTR's brakes and the size of my nads again at the bends .....obviously he blew me away on the straights

Right Click , save as ( Not v.big)

http://type-r-scotland.com/files/cal_scooby.wmv

Cal

ps we know it's not a B-Road but hopefully you'll see how a 210 bhp 2wd CTR can play with a 260 bhp 4 wd drive classic Scooby ........as for the new WRX's << sniggers >>

davedipster

Trade in price for a year old CTR is £12.5 -£13k with a/c, a £4k loss over list price in a year, what you are quoting are Honda dealer forecourt prices.

I traded in my CTR to a dealer and got £13k after 12 Months and they put it on the forecourt for £14.5.
As for retained values the 2001 model Scoob onwards retains 50-52% depending on the model i.e WRX or STI WRX. Better than most.

Quite alot of the figures from What car and auto express are complete nonsence. And forecourt prices for used cars are always too high, main dealers always try it on.

I found the CTR a pain to get into the back cos the drivers seat did not move to allow access into the back, very annoying.

The CTR is still a nice car, probably the best car I've had before the scoob
I would have no hesitation in buying another one if I wanted another bread van- oops sorry hatchback

Dipster

B0DSKI

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Dave u aint supposed to be driving from the backseat M8

S.B.

The ctr could not be described as one hell of a fast car
You must have been on the ctr owners forum to much

DJ Dunk

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Abdabz

Going back to the original thread purpose...The two cars are completely different. The only similarity being debated is that of performance and that arguement is being voiced by deluded CTR drivers who live in a CTR performance bubble having spent too much time in a CTR Forum world.
The Scoob has 4 doors and the CTR has 2, The Scoob is AWD and the CTR is 2WD, The Scoob is a saloon (or estate) and the CTR is a hatch.
The residuals of the CTR are great.
£16k is a decent enough price for a hot hatch - compare to the 206 GTI180, GSI Astra and RS Focus, Clio182 etc...But remember when you own a CTR the cars just listed are your play things. A £20k+ turbocharged family sized saloon is in a different category all together.
Scooby drivers taunt evo drivers on these forums, sometimes M3's - mods dependant and as a rule should never get involved in fantasy performance quips from the '7 second' 'sub 200bhp' brigade. <grenade thrown, dives behind wall for fallout )

I just cant help myself