matt85

I know its been discussed before but i have searched and couldnt really find a definitive answer to the question.

Basically, my long search for a mint Pug is over and now i have it i already love it. It goes like stink, sticks like sh*t to a blanket and rattles surprisingly little considering its French and only 3 years younger than i am.

The one problem though is the lift-off oversteer you get when backing off slightly. I knew about this before i bought one but was really surprised at just how much it does. As its also a non-power steering model it can really feel as though you are wrestling with the car and whilst giving it a cain down an almost straight dual-carraigeway the other night i felt it twitching which does concern me!

I know it is a trait of the car and no matter how much time/money you fling at it it will always be there but is there any (prefereably cheap/quick) ways to keep it under control and make it a little easier to catch as im not really a fan of FWD drifting.

Thanks in advance.

LG John

Learn to love it I say If its anything like my vts was its mearly a case of farting on the throttle to keep it neat and tidy and it allows you to attack corners really hard knowing that you can balance it with such ease

Big Bear

Is the car fitted with a rear anti-roll bar ? if it is then try getting a softer one

R1916v

simple, don't lift off

chris's scooby

LOL

B0DSKI

iTrader: (17)

I've had two of em over the years and loved em both, the lift-off oversteer is summin u just learn to put up with. I found it was only dangerous in the wet when it snapped really quickly, i managed never to stuff either of them, and like R19 said dont lift! as u know they handle like a Kart so unless your really going for it they usually hang on ;-)

J4CKO

iTrader: (1)

Slow down !

My mate Martin put his on its roof in a field due to lift off oversteer, he didnt know what this phenomenon was called back then, he simply called it,

ah,****,oh,****,no,wahhhhhhhh,ow

He then got the insurance money and bought another and repeated the procedure, he then bought a 1.3 Astra.

B0DSKI

iTrader: (17)

LOL J4CKO! hope he could cope with the power of the 1.3 Astra!!

Petem95

Its possible yours is in need of a new rear beam. Ive owned 4 205 GTi's, and found lift off over-steer only really badly occurs in the wet. In the dry youve got to be going seriously quick, and lift off suddenly to get the back out a lot. If the rear beam is worn you'll find the back swings out sooner than it should.

I must admit I wasnt a huge fan of the lift off oversteer either - can be tricky to bring the back in smoothly once it goes. I rolled one of my 1.9's after hitting a wet patch mid-corner.

matt85

Could be an option i suppose. Still, thats the beauty of the things: ''New rear beam? Certainly, that will be £10, Sir.'' (You get the picture ). Its going in in a few days to get a few things looked at so i will ask them to check the beam out while they are at it.

I can see some serious fun modifications coming along though when my insurance money comes through.

Poor Guy

lol. try a GT6 for lift off over steer!

skiddus_markus

Skinnier front tyres and wider rears?

ScoobyJawa

You can fit the 309 rear beam which cuts it down a bit.............

ScoobyJawa

Oh - and pics?

matt85

Well, ive just been out for 40 minues or so of 'spirited' driving down some local back roads and to be honest im noticing it less and less. Its still there but i can see why it is part of the car. What i really noticed though is the staggering LACK of understeer the car has. Absolutely point and squirt stuff. And the front tyres arent brilliant either.


If someone can host them then i'll try and figure out how to send some. For some reason i can only work digital cameras whilst under the influence

ScoobyJawa

They rule don't they?!

YHPM!

IanWatson

I'll agree with the knackered rear beam/fit at 309 replacement comments; my pug had a dodgy beam when I bought it and was very scary in LOO situations. Small roundabouts would be exited white-faced and looking up the road through the side window Felt lik the back end was on castors from a shopping trolley.

I fitted a recon rear beam from a 309 (with the thicker ARB as standard) + Bilstein Streetline + Toyo Proxes all round - now the car feels so planted it's almost disappointing! As said above it takes either total lack of concentration or severe provocation to get any serious sideways action.

My MY 99 UK Scoob was far more active (and still not mental) in LOO than the Pug is now.

I'd say fit a standard 1.9 beam - keep it twitchy

TopBanana

I don't know if you can adjust the rear toe on these cars, but if so, you could toe the rears in slightly. This will reduce lift off oversteer at the expense of turn-in.

ellisg

I have sprintline shocks, refurbed 205 rear beam and the new Toyo T1-R tyres in my 205mi. LOO is reduced, car generally sticks to the road like glue so much better than standard. The 309 beam would have been better because it has increased torsion bar thickness which is needed for better handling.
Group A/solid mounts also reduce LOO, anything that stops the twist at the rear helps.
Sprintline are hard shocks but have digressive valving, so ride is surprisingly good yet little roll.
Put group N top mounts/rubbers on and the turn in is obscene, go-karts for the road.

You can go too far with 205s, its half the fun to have these moments, although power steering models are so much easier to control, they have quicker racks.
Generally they were good out of the showroom, a lot of the problems with them now are worn bushes, bad rear beams, knackered shocks/struts

Gutmann pug

Maybe you need a new rear beam as stated.

Mine runs adjustable Koni suspension and the only time it has ever lift off oversteered has been on the track when i have been ultra stupid and gone in miles too quick. It will not do it on back road thrashes etc

Blackscooby

We went for a reconditioned beam and then uprated the ARB. We're now running a 21mm ARB which isn't the thickest avail, but seems to be a good comprimise.

However we still get LOO....

Into the popcorn at Harewood Hillclimb
http://www.peugeotsport205.co.uk/vid...nto_gravel.wmv

http://peugeotsport205.co.uk/picture...d/Orchard1.jpg
http://peugeotsport205.co.uk/picture...d/Orchard2.jpg
http://peugeotsport205.co.uk/picture...d/Orchard3.jpg

This winter we're going to replace the rear most bushes with solid GPA items, and poly ones on the fore most rear bush. We're using stock torsen bars so we might change those for something slightly beerier as well.

ScoobyJawa

Whoa! That ain't half some LOO in that vid!! LOL!!

Much damage to the car?

Blackscooby

Amazingly none at all (apart from a bit of gravel rash!). Had a good look around the cam-belt area before starting it though.

I suspect I clipped the grass on the RHS just before turning in. I can't explain the LOO any other way. It doesn't normally do that !

Final round at Harewood this Sunday

mikelmr

if you feel your car has too much oversteer check the front suspension, knackered dampers, worn ball joints, track rod ends or poor alignment of the front end can all increase lift off oversteer/ decrease the speed at which it occurs. Personally I quite like it as it can be used with good effect to tighten the line of the car if the corner tightens unexpectadly. Also good fun for hooligan antics on deserted roundabouts

G@FPR

Learn to love the LOO, once you know where it is youll be at it every slight bend you can find, It's part of the fun of the pug

Mk2_heaven

agreed i got a 106 rallye its just a fact of small light quick FWD cars chuck a block of concrete in the boot